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    Default Talk about Ironic ....

    It's official.

    I'll be starting full-time on January 15th as my department's Public Education and Training Coordinator.

    I'll be responsible for developing, managing and coordinating all the departments pubed programs and delivering most of them.

    I will also be responsible for developing firefighter training materials and programs (lesson plans, powerpoints and support materials), training experienced members to be effective trainers, coordinating training schedules and performing a good sized chunk of the training, especially daytime and rookie training to new members. I will also be attending out of town training, and then modifying it to fit our needs and presenting it.

    In addition, I'll be responsible for pre-planning, volunteer recruiting and retention, grant writing and data management in regards to areas like hose, hydrant and pump testing, as well as responsibilities in terms of dealing with rating-related matters as well as attending meetings duringthe day representing the department as needed.

    Though I'll be full-time I will still have the mindset of a vollie.

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    How did you manage to misspell "idiotic"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    It's official.

    I'll be starting full-time on January 15th as my department's Public Education and Training Coordinator.

    I'll be responsible for developing, managing and coordinating all the departments pubed programs and delivering most of them.

    I will also be responsible for developing firefighter training materials and programs (lesson plans, powerpoints and support materials), training experienced members to be effective trainers, coordinating training schedules and performing a good sized chunk of the training, especially daytime and rookie training to new members. I will also be attending out of town training, and then modifying it to fit our needs and presenting it.

    In addition, I'll be responsible for pre-planning, volunteer recruiting and retention, grant writing and data management in regards to areas like hose, hydrant and pump testing, as well as responsibilities in terms of dealing with rating-related matters as well as attending meetings duringthe day representing the department as needed.

    Though I'll be full-time I will still have the mindset of a vollie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    How did you manage to misspell "idiotic"?
    Stupid is as stupid does.

    I predict this thread will go many pages.....
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    The original poster typed "I" or "I'll" a ridiculous SEVEN TIMES!!And to think.....nobody even asked. He just felt we all should know.

    In other words...."Enough about me....so... what do YOU think of me"

    But don't find his new role a suprise on bit. The first CPR class I ever attended was taught by an individual who had NEVER performed CPR before.

    This scenario is eerily similar.

    Bayou beware!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakesdad View Post
    This scenario is eerily similar.

    Those who can do; those who CAN'T teach?

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    Situational irony is the disparity of intention and result: when the result of an action is contrary to the desired or expected effect.

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    I'd file this under the "Who Gives a S____" Category".

    I love how you are going to modify the outside training that you get to your department's 'needs'.

    Why bother going to that training as you already know it all and create theories out of whole cloth?
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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    He spelled one thing right, PUBED! Anything else would have triggered the profanity filter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    Those who can do; those who CAN'T teach?
    Oh my.....never before, has a famous quote fit in so nicely with a certain situation........Jasper, the next round is on me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakesdad View Post
    But don't find his new role a suprise on bit. The first CPR class I ever attended was taught by an individual who had NEVER performed CPR before.
    From what I've seen the AHA has no problem with instructors having zero real world experience.



    What is funny is that there is a thread about using proximity gear for structural firefighting. With LA assuming this position, sounds like the local FD's would be better suited with proximity gear as they throw water on the fire from outside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyirons2 View Post
    He spelled one thing right, PUBED! Anything else would have triggered the profanity filter!
    Took the words right out of my mouth!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    I predict this thread will go many pages.....
    I bet 10 pages in the first 2 days!!

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    Though I'll be full-time I will still have the mindset of a vollie.
    You braggin' about this or looking for sympathy?

    The reason you will fail and fail miserably is because you need to have the mindset of a FIRE FIGHTER!
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    Well typically what happens with threads like this is the person is congratulated on their new position.

    So. Congratulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    It's official.

    I'll be starting full-time on January 15th as my department's Public Education and Training Coordinator.

    I'll be responsible for developing, managing and coordinating all the departments pubed programs and delivering most of them.

    I will also be responsible for developing firefighter training materials and programs (lesson plans, powerpoints and support materials), training experienced members to be effective trainers, coordinating training schedules and performing a good sized chunk of the training, especially daytime and rookie training to new members. I will also be attending out of town training, and then modifying it to fit our needs and presenting it.

    In addition, I'll be responsible for pre-planning, volunteer recruiting and retention, grant writing and data management in regards to areas like hose, hydrant and pump testing, as well as responsibilities in terms of dealing with rating-related matters as well as attending meetings duringthe day representing the department as needed.

    Though I'll be full-time I will still have the mindset of a vollie.
    No, do you know what irony is? The master of trying to do all he can to not hire more paid firefighters accepting a paid position.

    HYPOCRITE. Let's see at 11:12 am yesterday you post this sarcastic comment: "And those supplemental manpower ideas about putting more volunteers on the firground reducing the need to consider hiring paid personnel are a bad thing as well." Then when YOU get a paid position you post at 7:37 pm: "I'll be starting full-time on January 15th as my department's Public Education and Training Coordinator." And try to cover your hypocrisy with this: "Though I'll be full-time I will still have the mindset of a vollie." And you wonder why I have said repeatedly you talk out of both sides of your face.

    At least the pre-planning part won't take you long. "Don't enter if the building is on fire." Heck you can do all your preplans from your office!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Well typically what happens with threads like this is the person is congratulated on their new position.

    So. Congratulations.
    Why would anyone congratulate a person who has been rabidly opposed to adding paid personnel who when the opportunity arises to have that position himself forgets all that and takes it? Hypocrisy doesn't earn congratulations in my book. I don't begrudge him the position, I am just so damn tired of his two facedness.

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    Why would anyone congratulate a person who has been rabidly opposed to adding paid personnel who when the opportunity arises to have that position himself forgets all that and takes it? Hypocrisy doesn't earn congratulations in my book. I don't begrudge him the position, I am just so damn tired of his two facedness.

    The reality is that I am not being hired so much as a firefighter, but as an administrator. The Asst, Chief has got so much going on that he simply needs someone to assume training, as well as other administrative duties.

    I will actually be making very few runs. I will not be making typical EMS calls (unless the other 2 personnel are already on one), single patient MVAs and small fires as they will take me away from my primary tasks - training and pubed.

    I have been performing many of these admin tasks as a volunteer. The position simply allows me to do more.

    So in reality we are not adding this position due to a need for firefighting manpower, though I will be counted on the rating as a full-time firefighter and respond to significant incidents. It's being added to fulfill an administrative need that we have attempted to fill with volunteer manpower, but have been unable to do completely.

    Had it been a primarily firefighting position, it is unlikely I would have applied for it.

    This position was actually created for me and the job description were written around my certs and qualifications. I very much had to be convinced to take it as I enjoyed what I was doing on the ambo.

    As part of my duties will be recruiting and retention, the time this position allows me to focus on that should increase the number of volunteers we bring in the door.
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    I love how you are going to modify the outside training that you get to your department's 'needs'.

    So why wouldn't you?

    Teach the background materials and the stuff from the class that applies to your structures, occupancies and operations.

    If you don't have 3-story structures, as an example, and the class has a section on operating in 3-story structures, why teach it and take up valuable class time on skills they will never use?

    In most classes, there are sections or scenarios/practicals that don't apply to your department or operations. There is nothing wrong with removing them so you can shorten the class (and possibly fit it into a 2-hour drill night) or add extra stuff that does apply to you.
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    [QUOTE=LaFireEducator;1022204][B]
    This position was actually created for me and the job description were written around my certs and qualifications. I very much had to be convinced to take it as I enjoyed what I was doing on the ambo.

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    I geuss if you kiss enough arse eventually you can get a job huh? I always thought doing well on the tests and getting qualified to do the job was the way to go.

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    I geuss if you kiss enough arse eventually you can get a job huh? I always thought doing well on the tests and getting qualified to do the job was the way to go.

    Actually I am.

    Instructor II with a 20-year training background including teaching statewide classes. Public Educator II as well as a Elementary Teaching certification with 20 years of pubed experience. Training as a juvenile firesetting intervention specialist. Chairman of pubed committees. 10 years as a Public Information Officer. Safety officer cert.

    College degree in business for the "business" side of the operation.

    Guess it was all that *** kissin' huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    I geuss if you kiss enough arse eventually you can get a job huh? I always thought doing well on the tests and getting qualified to do the job was the way to go.

    Actually I am.

    Instructor II with a 20-year training background including teaching statewide classes. Public Educator II as well as a Elementary Teaching certification with 20 years of pubed experience. Training as a juvenile firesetting intervention specialist. Chairman of pubed committees. 10 years as a Public Information Officer. Safety officer cert.

    College degree in business for the "business" side of the operation.

    Guess it was all that *** kissin' huh?
    I find it hard to believe that you would be an instructor when most of your tactics go against everything that I have been taught.

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    Most of my "tactics base" do not go against accepted standards.

    It's the application of those tactics that may not jive with others.

    Basic rule is our safety is #1. Period.

    Tasks are based on defined need, not a blanket operational policy, manpower and what is left to save, not a standard "attack mode" policy. It's really very simple and jives with traditional thinking. It's just safety based as compared to an overriding "need to supress it now dispite the situation" mindset.
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