Thread: "Noise" at Luke AFB
01-13-2009, 05:19 PM #1
"Noise" at Luke AFB
A friend sent this to me.
Luke AFB is west of Phoenix and is rapidly being surrounded by civilization that complains about the noise from the base and its planes, forgetting that it was there long before they were. A certain Lieutenant Colonel at Luke AFB deserves a big pat on the back. Apparently, an individual who lives somewhere near Luke AFB wrote the local paper complaining about a group of F-16s that disturbed his/her day at the mall.
When that individual read the response from a Luke AFB officer, it must have stung quite a bit.
'Question of the day for Luke Air Force Base:
Whom do we thank for the morning air show? Last Wednesday, at precisely 9:11 A.M, a tight formation of four F-16 jets made a low pass over Arrowhead Mall, continuing west over Bell Road at approximately 500 feet. Imagine our good fortune! Do the Tom Cruise-wannabes feel we need this wake-up call, or were they trying to impress the cashiers at Mervyns early bird special?
Any response would be appreciated.
Regarding 'A wake-up call from Luke's jets' On June 15, at precisely 9:12 a.m., a perfectly timed four- ship fly by of F-16s from the 63rd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base flew over the grave of Capt. Jeremy Fresques. Capt Fresques was an Air Force officer who was previously stationed at Luke Air Force Base and was killed in Iraq on May 30, Memorial Day.
At 9 a. m. on June 15, his family and friends gathered at Sunland Memorial Park in Sun City to mourn the loss of a husband, son and friend. Based on the letter writer's recount of the fly by, and because of the jet noise, I'm sure you didn't hear the 21-gun salute, the playing of taps, or my words to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques as I gave them their son's flag on behalf of the President of the United States and all those veterans and servicemen and women who understand the sacrifices they have endured.
A four-ship fly by is a display of respect the Air Force gives to those who give their lives in defense of freedom. We are professional aviators and take our jobs seriously, and on June 15 what the letter writer witnessed was four officers lining up to pay their ultimate respects.
The letter writer asks, 'Whom do we thank for the morning air show? The 56th Fighter Wing will make the call for you, and forward your thanks to the widow and parents of Capt Fresques, and thank them for you, for it was in their honor that my pilots flew the most honorable formation of their lives.
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01-13-2009, 07:16 PM #2
I can't believe the nerve of some people. They move next to something thats been makin noise for a long time. Then, they complain about it. Amen to the writer of the response. I hope that guy feels as little as an ant.FF/Paramedic
01-13-2009, 09:08 PM #3
A little more to the story.
The writer wrote an apology and identified himself as a Vietnam era veteran.
I can sympathize with the air crews at Luke AFB. We had a similar scenario in OC. The Marine base had been there since WW II. During the 90's the encroaching population started a ruckus over the noise generated by the F-18 sorties. During the BRAC it was closed down and the squadrons were deployed elsewhere.
I always believed the USMC went the extra mile to be good neighbors. Cancelling flights after 7p for starters. But the whiners in the surrounding cities were never happy.Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."
01-13-2009, 11:04 PM #4
What some people consider aircraft noise... I consider it a "Concerto for JP4 and Afterburners in F-16 Major"
I am an airplane nut and student pilot.. and even at our local airport
(established in 1921) there are still those who complain about the noise of single engine Cessnas, even though we follow the noise abatement rules.."The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY
01-14-2009, 01:37 AM #5
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Is it only me or is whining about 0911h being too early a bit goofy? Unless of course, the complainer was working a night shift.
01-14-2009, 09:15 AM #6
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Funny (NO not really) thing is, this complaint happens everywhere. When I was 9, my family bought a house 700 yards from the Victoria International Airport boundry. We knew what we were getting into, and after a few weeks, unless there was something truly remarkable about the engines, we didnt even notice that the flights were landing or leaving. And we were adjacent to the main flight path. Neighbours started to complain when Ward Air (they are long gone now) started flying 747s in. THAT was a sight to see, I'll tell you. Anyhow, the locals didnt get very far, the airport had been a RCAF (airforce) station long before it became the local aerodrome, and they didnt have a leg to stand on. You moved in, knowing you were going to live next to a relatively busy international airport. We are not JFK or Atlanta by any means, but its still busy enough, especially with the local commuter a/c.
SUCK IT UP PRINCESS!
01-14-2009, 10:03 AM #7
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"Luke AFB is west of Phoenix and is rapidly being surrounded by civilization that complains about the noise"
Looks to me like the base was there first. This is an ongoing thing I see constantly that really ******es me off. I'm sure many of you have seen this type of thing happen near you. If you build/move into a house next to an Air Base/ Fire station/ racetrack /rail crossing / playground/ whatever, Why do you have a right to complain about the noise. If it was there before you, you should have taken that into concideration BEFORE moving to the area.
01-14-2009, 10:25 AM #8
0900 is not an inappropriate hour. And SCFire brings up a good point. Outside the gats to MCAS Beaufort in Beaufort, SC are the words "THe sound you hear, is the sound of freedom." I remember reading those very words on the day I left MCRD Parris Island as a newly minted Marine.
The base you spoke of SC was MCAS El Toro in Tustin. The base closed, the aircraft moved to the newly-vacated NAS Miramar (now MCAS Miramar) which just recently had an incident where a Marine Aviator had to eject over a populated area due to both engines failing. His aircraft struck a house and killed 4 people.
These people around these installations drive me nuts. They LOVE to have the money military dollars bring in, but b!tch about the noise the bases make.
It is not restricted to the military as Gonzo has said. Boston Medlflight flies over Cambridge all the time to bring in patients in their helicopters and the fine blue-blood, stuck-up, holier than thou crowd whine about the sound of a life-saving helicopter flying a sick patient over their house at 800 feet.
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01-14-2009, 11:42 AM #9
01-14-2009, 03:44 PM #10
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0900 being after the call to "Turn to,commence ship's work",I wonder what the problem was to begin with.
My work place is down the hill from a local civil airport.The neighborhood likes to pixx and moan to the police about the noise but we don't at work.
There's a large contingent of the Commemorative Air Force(aka Confederate Air Force) and on weekends,the air buzzes with large high performance piston aircraft.
I am not a flyer,but I do enjoy reading about it even if I refuse to board an aircraft.And when there is nothing to do,we face the boat to the dock in the direction of the airport and enjoy the show.
ANY salute of a fallen soldier whether from wartime service or being called to a higher duty station will garner no complaint from me.
01-14-2009, 04:24 PM #11
01-14-2009, 04:33 PM #12
01-14-2009, 07:36 PM #13
My grandparents used to live in a community that overlooked MCAS El Toro.
I still have great memories of watching the F-4 Phantoms coming round.
Talk about a beast.
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