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    Have you tried different beds? If you don't have a pager system and the calls come over an intercom, have you tried moving to a bed that is more directly under a speaker? We had someone who had some troubles and that solved it for them. Also, get a bed that's near the door so maybe the crew walking by or the door opening will get you up. Not to mention if you tell people you have a problem and you're on their way out they are more likely to give you a kick. You need to seriously fix this though. It's not uncommon for this to become an disciplinary issue for people who don't get up. Getting up at night and getting on the rig ready to go is a job related skill.
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    First off you should admit that this is YOUR problem, not your buddies or your officers. Now i'm sure most if not all the previous suggestions would work. But to be honest with you if i had to wake you up more than once the next time you're on your own. I speak from experience and have let more than 1 person sleep through calls. In the morning the embarrassment is usually enough of a motivator to change the behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipperypete View Post
    In the morning the embarrassment is usually enough of a motivator to change the behavior.
    I know from experience that this is true. The ribbing, the amount of alarm clocks, stuffed roosters, and wake up calls over the PA you get is enough to make you change your behavior real quick! And I only missed one darn call. The Captain at the time had to rustle me out of my nest. I had to clean the officer's quarters for a month after that!

    If that doesn't work, a good arse chewing works wonders too.
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    Try farming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    Try farming.
    God I laugh hard at your responses, good thing I wasn't drinking anything at the time I read it.

    farming requires getting up early before breakfast too!
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    There is a HUGE difference between the guy who seemingly NEVER hears the alarm and a guy who occasionally sleeps through it. I am not sure why the simple concept of making sure the other guys on your rig are awake is such a big freaking deal. I have gotten up at night to make sure guys from the other engine in quarters have gotten up for a call. I could see from my bunk that one of them hadn't. Of course it can't become a "you have to wke me up for every call situation" but it surely makes more sense to wake the guy up on the way by rather than have to run back from the rig to wake them up. Which is what we do...no one gets left behind in quarters.

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    Although I am only Volunteer, my pager always is near me. I have come to the point where I can identify the pitch of our tones and gotten used to hearing our tones that as soon as the first half of the tone drops, my eyes are open and I am up.

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    Extinguisher911 you sound like you are a real TOOL. What has your officer said or done about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    Excellent idea, I'm sure the other guys on the truck want someone riding with them to the 5am fire that hasn't slept in 20 hours.
    Do you sleep all night at your house? We are generally busy at night and no one has a problem at a fire at any time. How much sleep do you need to perform at a fire? I hope you are not on a department that works 24's if you are unable to perform after dark...

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    I bet some of you are real popular people to work with or for.

    I am the Officer in my house and guess what.......sometimes I will sleep through the run.

    Not hearing something in your F'ing sleep is not an example of somebody not doing their job. What is the problem with someone telling you they are a hard sleeper and asking you to make sure they here the tone and get up? Nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whocares View Post
    Do you sleep all night at your house? We are generally busy at night and no one has a problem at a fire at any time. How much sleep do you need to perform at a fire? I hope you are not on a department that works 24's if you are unable to perform after dark...


    when did I say I slept all night? An hour or two caught in between runs is better than nothing. Especially if this guy worked OT the shift before or is on OT now after a busy shift.


    Making a pretty big assumption based on one statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    I bet some of you are real popular people to work with or for.

    I am the Officer in my house and guess what.......sometimes I will sleep through the run.

    Not hearing something in your F'ing sleep is not an example of somebody not doing their job. What is the problem with someone telling you they are a hard sleeper and asking you to make sure they here the tone and get up? Nothing.

    Jakesdad, SlipperyPete.....read the signature below. Sometimes you guys are dead on. On this one, your both dead wrong.
    100% correct. Give him the bed by the door and kick him on your way out. It's not that big a deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    when did I say I slept all night? An hour or two caught in between runs is better than nothing. Especially if this guy worked OT the shift before or is on OT now after a busy shift.


    Making a pretty big assumption based on one statement.
    You are the one making a big deal about a fire 20 hrs into your shift. It's not that uncommon to get no sleep in a shift, especially in the summer. The 5am fire is easy. The 8 hrs at the side job the next day is the hard part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whocares View Post
    You are the one making a big deal about a fire 20 hrs into your shift. It's not that uncommon to get no sleep in a shift, especially in the summer. The 5am fire is easy. The 8 hrs at the side job the next day is the hard part.


    big deal? one comment about someone else's draconian methods of dealing with not waking for house tones. Untwist the panties, no reason to go without sleep when you can get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    big deal? one comment about someone else's draconian methods of dealing with not waking for house tones. Untwist the panties, no reason to go without sleep when you can get it.
    I already stated that you should let him sleep and just kick him on your way out. My point was that there should be no question about your ability to operate after 20 sleepless hours. Discovered in 1904 by the Germans... Anyway, agree to disagree.
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    What exactly did the German's discover? Can't be what the Australians found...


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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    What exactly did the German's discover? Can't be what the Australians found...


    http://oem.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/57/10/649
    What did they discover? San Diego, of course...

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    So according to Australia, I shouldn't drink so much if I'm planning on being up all night?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    I bet some of you are real popular people to work with or for.

    I am the Officer in my house and guess what.......sometimes I will sleep through the run.

    Not hearing something in your F'ing sleep is not an example of somebody not doing their job. What is the problem with someone telling you they are a hard sleeper and asking you to make sure they here the tone and get up? Nothing.
    110% agreed, sir.

    I'm so sick of the macho attitude in the firehouse. If you can't take care of each other, there is a serious problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaredMTFD View Post
    I'm so sick of the macho attitude in the firehouse. If you can't take care of each other, there is a serious problem.


    I'm in on that. The same people so willing to call someone else a "mutt" can't even kick a brother's bunk as they go by. There is nothing that makes you a mutt more than screwing the guys you work with.

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    To the Brother who can't wake up when the tones go off..

    Tie a long string around your private parts. Put one end by the door, Have the company officer give it a little "tug" when the tones go off.

    Like one of Pavlov's dogs, you will be "conditioned" to wake up when the tones drop!












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