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    Maybe if you hadn't spent your first 15 years in the fire service playing games, you would be in a position to schedule YOUR companies training and decide what topics you should train on. With some initiative of your own maybe you would be riding in the front of that BRT. Is this really what your dad told you the fire service was all about. I'm sure he is really proud of all the stickers on your helmet. Sounds like your union members are lucky to have you. Your only solution to this "problem" is to rant on here. You sound like you are real concerned about the wife and kids, just not so concerned that you want to bring women in the back door.
    Lex was right if it looks like troll, smells like troll, posts like troll...must be a troll.


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    Its too late Ive got too many years in Unless you can pay me 70 thou a year to do your mom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plugugly3 View Post
    Ok lex I have respect now.
    All I know is after 12 years of doing this for a major city and 15 years in the service, there is more and more redundant training longer reports, more runs, more more more and I am exhausted the next day, Im getting on average 3-4 hours of sleep at work.
    Overall - moral is way low, there is no initiative, every thing is scheduled, there are no more water fights, no more pranks, every man is out for himself and no one can or wants to think for themselves.
    Unless you have a probie there is no reason to pull a line for training, if you have doubts your guys cant pull a line? write em up, make a paper trail and get rid of them. That makes about as much sense as wiping your *** before you take a dump, its a waste of time. Or your one of those line officers that wonders why guys jump ship as soon as station bids go out?
    I dont live eat and breathe the fire service. At one time I did, I wore FD shirts everywhere I had EMT stickers on my truck, I worked for 3 fire departments two part time and one full time, lived out of a bag untill my wife said no more, no more pagers no more scanners, I quit my part time gigs and became union president for the department that put rubber on my kids feet, I was a flight-paramedic part time and full time for years until my wife said your kids need you now.
    Now Im down to one simple, simple job and its sapping every ounce of energy out of me.
    There is nothing to this job, why are we making it so technical? Lets take calls save lives and put fires out. If my kids saw there is a fire in the back yard they would have sense enough to get the hose turn it on and squirt the fire, if it didnt go out they would say we needed a bigger hose and more water daddy and I would say "Som Body Plz call the fIre Depatment Pleeeez"
    The best class the best training I have ever ever had was "saving our own" hydraulics and essentials 2, the best class I ever had in EMS was BTLS, ACLS, other than that its OJT.
    So with all that time on the job, why have you not taken your department's Lt. Test and become part of the solution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisTheMenace View Post
    So with all that time on the job, why have you not taken your department's Lt. Test and become part of the solution?

    Well the minor problem would be that it would require effort.

    The major problem would be, that the ability to speak and write in sentences that are comprehended to ensure verbal orders are understood and reports are admissible in a court of law, is seriously lacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plugugly3 View Post
    Its too late Ive got too many years in Unless you can pay me 70 thou a year to do your mom.
    Great post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by plugugly3 View Post
    bharer75 You are obviously a volunteer or work as a part time fire fighter by saying "you barely work as it is". You probably do barely work as it is and when you go home to your moms basement she probably lets you sleep for a few.
    HAHAHA are you serious dude? what department do you work for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plugugly3 View Post
    Its too late Ive got too many years in Unless you can pay me 70 thou a year to do your mom.
    Wow, great words of leadership from a union president. You do realize how little credibility you have when you resort to "mom" bashing on here? C'mon.

    In my department, which will top 50,000 runs this year, we're doing 78% EMS. This means that that other 22% of the time are fire alarms, MVA's, mulch fires, rescues, and the occaisional building fire. While I don't have the exact number of fire calls for last year in front of me, let's just say that the number was 300 "working fires". This means roughly 6 per week. Now, with 20 stations being covered by three different shifts, what are the overall chances of your shift/station catching work? If you happen to work in one of our rougher areas, the chances increase, versus our wealthy neighborhoods with 7000SF mansions.

    As a company officer, I am compelled to ensure that those in my charge are ready to face all hazards that are presented to us. Does that mean sometimes pulling hoses? Yes. Throwing ladders? Yes. Pump Ops? Uh huh. Sure, it might seem bread-and-butter ops to you, but I'm fairly sure that the citizens that I'm obligated to protect appreciate the department members being ready for their mission, not just waiting for the next call so we can get some OJT.
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    Default Havnt been on in awhile.

    Thanks for all the input guys. You guys ROCK!!! take care and peace out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plugugly3 View Post
    There is nothing to this job, why are we making it so technical? Lets take calls save lives and put fires out.
    I completely agree! Why should the fire department be so technical? Next time I'm called out on a building collapse, I'm going to tell the bystanders to do the work! There's nothing to it! Setting up a combination haul on a Ladder Company is a piece of cake, too!

    Training can be monotonous, even to the point that you've done something so many times that you can perform the task blindfolded! Isn't that the point of training, though? I'm sure the citizens who pay your check would rather have your company training than constantly playing jokes. Granted, there's a time and place for jokes - but there's a time and place for training too. It's just part of the job.

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    I see what you mean.. I looked it up and an affiliated department is required 20 hours emergency related training a month.. I think you should get a set time..

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    Default Brt?

    "BRT".........I'm still laughing.
    Heres some funny ****. Made navy beans, onion and a ham hock for din. Later it wasnt funny anymore so much farting, then we noticed all of our farts smelled the same, went on a call and the bunk room smelled like a sewer.

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    Because of the economy we arent training hardly at all any more.............Now we are in service all day. Kinda miss training now and being (OOS) out of service not taking medical runs.

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    got any other complaints?
    Just another one of the 99%ers looking up.

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    Default Ive reconsidered.

    After all the posts and rebuttals. Ive opened my eyes, I'm a sponge now training like a mad man, reading non stop, I'm even teaching IFSTA and EMS for all three shifts now. I will get published soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plugugly3 View Post
    After all the posts and rebuttals. Ive opened my eyes, I'm a sponge now training like a mad man, reading non stop, I'm even teaching IFSTA and EMS for all three shifts now. I will get published soon.


    Hey just go away.

    Everyone in here is tired of you lame postings and your bs'ing us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    Hey just go away.

    Everyone in here is tired of you lame postings and your bs'ing us.
    He's been in time-out for awhile now ....

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    I should just let it die, I can feel the hook already...

    I'm assigned to one of the five busiest engine companies in Philly, according to last year's numbers. Don't have them in front of me, but the department averages someting like 750-800 runs a DAY. Let's say 750*365=273,750; call it 275,000 a year for even numbers. Hope that'll satisfy your need for 40,000 runs to qualify a poster, and permit me to besoil your precious thread, because we barely work as it is. I find it hard to believe you are busier, simply because there are only so many companies in the country that are, but it's possible you're in one of them.

    We are CONSTANTLY evaluating how we pull hoseline, training on what if situations, and how to do it faster/easier/BETTER. We come up with a plan, then we try it out in the station to see what works. We are a PROFESSIONAL department, which means we owe the citizens we protect and our BROTHERS and SISTERS who depend on us nothing less. Everyone is involved from the senior man down to the newest guy.

    Formalized training is somewhat hard to come by in our dept., as only so many companies are allowed to go to the academy each shift. So it is up to us to keep ourselves sharp. Talking things over from the last run, be it a simple alarm system, box run, or even shoe run, is a key training component. Did you see..., how would you handle..., what can we do different/better, why would that be better? Then there are the more structured station exercises, and then discussing the combined operations we do with our ladder guys, training on the street with other companies in the battalion when possible, and that doesn't even touch on cross training with the ladder guys...

    As others said before, if you're the union president, I feel bad for your members.
    Last edited by mrpita; 04-21-2009 at 02:39 PM.
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