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    Default No jobs for skilled white construction workers!

    No jobs to high skilled people....or white male construction workers.
    I guess it is ok to be a bigot as long as you are a BHO advisor!

    Why reward those who worked hard to prepare themselves for a competitive job market...lets reward those who have a certain skin color!

    What was that guy King trying to teach everyone again?

    And Rangle...well.

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    No tears here, Fred.

    The Labor Unions aggressively supported Obama and they have supported Rangel. This is their payback.

    But at least they got rid of any power the Republicans had in Wash., right?
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    Entitlement mentality at it's finest.

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    Even if you're best qualified for the job, if you're a white male (or a single, non-parenting white female in several cases), you could be chosen last due to "benefits" to the hiring company. I was actually told about a year ago that a position I was applying for in Private Care was being reserved for those "less privileged".

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    No tears here, Fred.

    The Labor Unions aggressively supported Obama and they have supported Rangel. This is their payback.

    But at least they got rid of any power the Republicans had in Wash., right?
    I wonder why George!!!

    Perhaps it doesnt mean that much to you, but when McCain showed up here in California to campaign againts our "defined benefit" retirement system, to put us in a "defined contribution" it sent a strong message to all of us where he stands. It was strong enough to echo back to his own state firefighters, who did not support him in part, due to this.

    I certainly dont agree with discrimination and favoritism, as I have been passed over before due to a discrimination suit filed back in the 70's when I was testing, and certainly did not like it. But dont tag labor as the result of bad policy. The labor unions have fought long and hard for equal rights and just working conditions for nearly 100 years, and we all have benefitted from it.

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    Labor unions today, outside of those who represent public safety, are more of a problem today than they are a benefit.
    They are causing more people to be out of work than any so-called "Bushism".

    Nobody cries a river when they're getting 75,000 a year with a defined-benefit pension, on a high school diploma, working an assembly line.
    When the the company shuts down a plant,and moves for cheaper labor costs, somehow it's the presidents failed economic policy.

    The labor unions are just as guilty as any economic policy for jobs leaving this country, today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    Labor unions today, outside of those who represent public safety, are more of a problem today than they are a benefit.
    They are causing more people to be out of work than any so-called "Bushism".

    Nobody cries a river when they're getting 75,000 a year with a defined-benefit pension, on a high school diploma, working an assembly line.
    When the the company shuts down a plant,and moves for cheaper labor costs, somehow it's the presidents failed economic policy.

    The labor unions are just as guilty as any economic policy for jobs leaving this country, today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by localtrainer75 View Post
    I wonder why George!!!

    Perhaps it doesnt mean that much to you, but when McCain showed up here in California to campaign againts our "defined benefit" retirement system, to put us in a "defined contribution" it sent a strong message to all of us where he stands. It was strong enough to echo back to his own state firefighters, who did not support him in part, due to this.

    I certainly dont agree with discrimination and favoritism, as I have been passed over before due to a discrimination suit filed back in the 70's when I was testing, and certainly did not like it. But dont tag labor as the result of bad policy. The labor unions have fought long and hard for equal rights and just working conditions for nearly 100 years, and we all have benefitted from it.
    Spare me the rhetoric about organized labor being the savior of the world. What you said was true in the 1920's, but has virtually no relevance today.

    You guys had a problem with McCain because he was honest. Organized labor made a deal with the devil and is now bent over the kitchen counter taking it in the back door.

    Like I said...no tears from me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Spare me the rhetoric about organized labor being the savior of the world. What you said was true in the 1920's, but has virtually no relevance today.

    You guys had a problem with McCain because he was honest. Organized labor made a deal with the devil and is now bent over the kitchen counter taking it in the back door.

    Like I said...no tears from me.
    Let me ask you, what was he honest about? I sat through the public hearings at our capitol. McCain came over for one reason, because he was asked by Arnold, not because he wanted to spread the gospel, and he was on a mission of truth. McCain is more democrat than you are. He needed to side more on the conservative group to build on his future campaign. So are you saying all the firefighters, teachers, nurses, and cops in california were wrong, and McCain who came over from Arizona came to save us with the truth, George, spare me on this one.

    As for unions, they serve their purpose. I dont always agree, that is why we have voting rights. The Minority has the right to be heard, but the majority has the right to rule. So now you have a new president, take it up with your representatives if you dont like shady policy, but like I said, dont blame labor for it. Campaigning to change our retirement, take away benefits from fallen firefighter and police families, and require special votes for unions was a little too much for us over here.

    Sad thing is, McCain is a good man, and has done alot for this country. But being good doesnt always mean doing right, and in California, he didnt do right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localtrainer75 View Post
    Let me ask you, what was he honest about? I sat through the public hearings at our capitol. McCain came over for one reason, because he was asked by Arnold, not because he wanted to spread the gospel, and he was on a mission of truth. McCain is more democrat than you are. He needed to side more on the conservative group to build on his future campaign. So are you saying all the firefighters, teachers, nurses, and cops in california were wrong, and McCain who came over from Arizona came to save us with the truth, George, spare me on this one.

    As for unions, they serve their purpose. I dont always agree, that is why we have voting rights. The Minority has the right to be heard, but the majority has the right to rule. So now you have a new president, take it up with your representatives if you dont like shady policy, but like I said, dont blame labor for it. Campaigning to change our retirement, take away benefits from fallen firefighter and police families, and require special votes for unions was a little too much for us over here.

    Sad thing is, McCain is a good man, and has done alot for this country. But being good doesnt always mean doing right, and in California, he didnt do right.
    I am not about to rehash the election in this thread. But I agree that McCain is a good man and is more of a Democrat than I am.

    But thank you for making my point. McCain came over to your state and looked you in the eye and told you what he was going to do. I have no doubt that if he was elected, he would have done it. It doesn't matter if I agree with it or not.

    Obama came over, professed to be the proponent of organized labor. Now, he is in the process of screwing organized labor. That is called lying. That is the exact opposite of what McCain did in this instance.

    If I were actively involved in organized labor, I would be ****ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    You guys had a problem with McCain because he was honest.
    Honest about what? He actively campaigned for pension reform that would have taken away the benefits for the dependents of public safety officers that are killed in the line of duty. Part of his mantra was also to do away with defined benefit programs. Of course he wasn't giving up his Navy or Congressional pension anytime soon. He was honest about that as well.

    Like I told the moonbat from NC. It's pretty funny to me to watch how fashionable dissent has become amongst conservatives. All of a sudden, criticism of the president isn't considered unpatriotic.

    And with troops in harms way no less. Where is the concern for the morale of the men and women defending our country?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    The Labor Unions aggressively supported Obama and they have supported Rangel. This is their payback.
    It wasn't just the labor unions...
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    I dont know......If you watch the video, the audio doesnt match his lips......Kind of like an old kung-fu movie........I call bullschit on this video unless if someone else can produce a better quality one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    I am not about to rehash the election in this thread. But I agree that McCain is a good man and is more of a Democrat than I am.

    But thank you for making my point. McCain came over to your state and looked you in the eye and told you what he was going to do. I have no doubt that if he was elected, he would have done it. .
    Thank you George for making my point. The Union did exactly what they were supposed to. Protect our wages, working conditions, and benefits. You voted your conscious on who should be President, and that is a right all of us have, union or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localtrainer75 View Post
    Thank you George for making my point. The Union did exactly what they were supposed to. Protect our wages, working conditions, and benefits. You voted your conscious on who should be President, and that is a right all of us have, union or not.
    No. You THOUGHT you were protecting your wages, working conditions, and benefits. Instead you supported a candidate who told you one thing, and is now apparently doing another. What Reich is talking about, if it is enacted, is a middle finger to organized labor. In the trades (for the most part), who are the most highly skilled workers? Right, union members. In the trades, what is the demographic of the majority of union memberships? Right, white males. You are being told that the most highly skilled workers are not going to get the jobs. That means the jobs are going to go outside the unions to less highly skilled workers.

    I guess that is the thanks that prganized labor gets for their support, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    No. You THOUGHT you were protecting your wages, working conditions, and benefits. Instead you supported a candidate who told you one thing, and is now apparently doing another. What Reich is talking about, if it is enacted, is a middle finger to organized labor. In the trades (for the most part), who are the most highly skilled workers? Right, union members. In the trades, what is the demographic of the majority of union memberships? Right, white males. You are being told that the most highly skilled workers are not going to get the jobs. That means the jobs are going to go outside the unions to less highly skilled workers.

    I guess that is the thanks that prganized labor gets for their support, huh?
    Actually, here is what he said,....


    The stimulus plan will create jobs repairing and upgrading the nation's roads, bridges, ports, levees, water and sewage system, public-transit systems, electricity grid, and schools. And it will kick-start alternative, non-fossil based sources of energy (wind, solar, geothermal, and so on); new health-care information systems; and universal broadband Internet access.

    It's a two-fer: lots of new jobs, and investments in the nation's future productivity.

    But if there aren't enough skilled professionals to do the jobs involving new technologies, the stimulus will just increase the wages of the professionals who already have the right skills rather than generate many new jobs in these fields. And if construction jobs go mainly to white males who already dominate the construction trades, many people who need jobs the most -- women, minorities, and the poor and long-term unemployed -- will be shut out.

    What to do? There's no easy solution to either dilemma. But there's no reason to think about "green jobs" as simply high-tech. Many low-income and low-skilled workers -- women as well as men -- could be put directly to work providing homes and businesses with more efficient and renewable heating, lighting, cooling, and refrigeration systems; installing solar panels and efficient photovoltaic systems; rehabilitating and renovating old properties, and improving recycling systems. "Green Jobs Corps" teams could be trained to evaluate and advise homeowners and businesses on these and other means of conserving energy.

    People can be trained relatively quickly for these sorts of jobs, as well as many infrastructure j0bs generated by the stimulus -- installing new pipes for water and sewage systems, repairing and upgrading equipment, basic construction -- but contractors have to be nudged both to provide the training and to do the hiring.

    I'd suggest that all contracts entered into with stimulus funds require contractors to provide at least 20 percent of jobs to the long-term unemployed and to people withincomes at or below 200 percent of the federal poverty level. And at least 2 percent of project funds should be allocated to such training. In addition, advantage should be taken of buildings trades apprenticeships -- which must be fully available to women and minorities.


    This is a proposed stimulus package with money, just like grants are written with stipulations. We have yet to hear a response back from labor.

    John McCain had a plan, just labor didnt buy into it.

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    You're kidding, right?

    And if construction jobs go mainly to white males who already dominate the construction trades, many people who need jobs the most -- women, minorities, and the poor and long-term unemployed -- will be shut out.
    No white males need jobs?

    Many low-income and low-skilled workers -- women as well as men -- could be put directly to work providing homes and businesses with more efficient and renewable heating, lighting, cooling, and refrigeration systems; installing solar panels and efficient photovoltaic systems; rehabilitating and renovating old properties, and improving recycling systems. "Green Jobs Corps" teams could be trained to evaluate and advise homeowners and businesses on these and other means of conserving energy.
    Is this really an argument organized labor wants to get into? "Our guys are skilled, but not that skilled. We can teach anyone to be an electrician, plumber, carpenter, sheet metal worker, etc. in just a few easy lessons." Kind of negates the need for all of those pesky apprentice programs, huh?

    People can be trained relatively quickly for these sorts of jobs, as well as many infrastructure j0bs generated by the stimulus -- installing new pipes for water and sewage systems, repairing and upgrading equipment, basic construction -- but contractors have to be nudged both to provide the training and to do the hiring.
    Hmmm. Nothing in that statement about union workers.

    I'd suggest that all contracts entered into with stimulus funds require contractors to provide at least 20 percent of jobs to the long-term unemployed and to people withincomes at or below 200 percent of the federal poverty level.
    Historically speaking, this is targeting homeless and those w/o a HS diploma. Those are the folks I want building my bridges!

    In addition, advantage should be taken of buildings trades apprenticeships -- which must be fully available to women and minorities.
    The insinuation here is that the labor unions are practicing racial, ethnic and sexual discrimination.

    This is a proposed stimulus package with money, just like grants are written with stipulations. We have yet to hear a response back from labor.
    I wonder why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    You're kidding, right?

    I wonder why?
    Now George, I am sure the trade unions are looking at this very close, and will raise the right flags if necessary, wouldn't you say?

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    But if there aren't enough skilled professionals to do the jobs involving new technologies, the stimulus will just increase the wages of the professionals who already have the right skills rather than generate many new jobs in these fields. And if construction jobs go mainly to white males who already dominate the construction trades, many people who need jobs the most -- women, minorities, and the poor and long-term unemployed -- will be shut out.

    What to do? There's no easy solution to either dilemma. But there's no reason to think about "green jobs" as simply high-tech. Many low-income and low-skilled workers -- women as well as men -- could be put directly to work providing homes and businesses with more efficient and renewable heating, lighting, cooling, and refrigeration systems; installing solar panels and efficient photovoltaic systems; rehabilitating and renovating old properties, and improving recycling systems. "Green Jobs Corps" teams could be trained to evaluate and advise homeowners and businesses on these and other means of conserving energy.

    People can be trained relatively quickly for these sorts of jobs, as well as many infrastructure j0bs generated by the stimulus -- installing new pipes for water and sewage systems, repairing and upgrading equipment, basic construction -- but contractors have to be nudged both to provide the training and to do the hiring.


    I'm not just sure where you are located localtrainer, but anywhere I have been and/or lived, heating, electrical, refrigeration, construction skills usually take about 4 years apprenticeship including both fairly intense school as well as OJT. Before people can get into these, they need to pass exams that show they can read and write and have some apptitudes in the area they want to be employed in. It sounds great that the contractors should be responsible for all of this, plus I suppose they also need to pay for all the mistakes made by "chronically unemployed"? You ever give any thought to why they have been "chronically unemployed or under employed" despite some of the best economic years since WW2? Do we wipe out requirements such as literacy, non drug or alcohol use, chronic inability to show up and just have the contractors pay them to stay away as it would be safer and cheaper all around. I realise that this will not be true of everyone in these categories, but your way would ensure that this boondoggle the govt is embarking on will be guaranteed to fail before it starts. Utopia is just over the Yellow Brick Road ToTo

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