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    structure fire last night at the below pictured dwelling. flames through the roof upon arrival, particularly on sides A-D and B. initial reports of possible victim, approx 3 mins later bystander stated she was on phone with homeowner and there is no one inside. (kind of moot anyway, this thing was rippin') the odd/dangerous thing about this structure was that there was a swimming pool right in the middle of the house (see raised section of roof). that section was not visible upon arrival, as it had already burned. had this been a smaller fire, the attack team would have been in for quite a surprise, at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reebokHCFR View Post
    structure fire last night at the below pictured dwelling. flames through the roof upon arrival, particularly on sides A-D and B. initial reports of possible victim, approx 3 mins later bystander stated she was on phone with homeowner and there is no one inside. (kind of moot anyway, this thing was rippin') the odd/dangerous thing about this structure was that there was a swimming pool right in the middle of the house (see raised section of roof). that section was not visible upon arrival, as it had already burned. had this been a smaller fire, the attack team would have been in for quite a surprise, at best.
    Kind of explains why you should know about any special hazards in your first response area doesn't it? Actually if you were following normal search procedures it shouldn't have been a big deal anyway as far as a hazard goes.

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    I suppose, though it's a single family residence that can't be seen from the road, built in the 70's, so I don't know how you expect to find out. it's also in the first response of a volunteer station (with a paid rescue which is why I was there). the vols tend to do even less area familiarization than most, though again, I don't know how you seem so confident about knowing every "special hazard" in your first due unless it's incredibly rural. not to mention virtually everyone gets roved around the county so much, that having someone who knows the area really well can be hit or miss. using normal search procedures probably would be fine, though you may lose a haligan over the edge of the pool if you happened to not be gripping it tightly enough at the time. and there's always those imperfect people who walk when it would probably be better to crawl...heck, I've even heard of some fools falling through roofs!
    anyway, there's a myriad of situations and problems that could happen with such an unusual structure, and I was really just putting it out there for information's sake, particularly addressing the fire if it weren't already fully involved. hopefully there are others that can benefit from the info, or relate some positive comments instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    Kind of explains why you should know about any special hazards in your first response area doesn't it? Actually if you were following normal search procedures it shouldn't have been a big deal anyway as far as a hazard goes.
    And exactly how do you propose the fire department finds out about renovations, alterations, additions either legal or illegal within a private dwelling?

    And following normal search procedures doesn't ensure anything other than following normal search procedures.

    A swimming pool located in the middle of a private dwelling is certainly an unexpected hazard. For everyone except for you I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakesdad View Post
    And exactly how do you propose the fire department finds out about renovations, alterations, additions either legal or illegal within a private dwelling?

    And following normal search procedures doesn't ensure anything other than following normal search procedures.

    A swimming pool located in the middle of a private dwelling is certainly an unexpected hazard. For everyone except for you I suppose.

    Excellent post and I couldn't agree with you more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    Kind of explains why you should know about any special hazards in your first response area doesn't it? Actually if you were following normal search procedures it shouldn't have been a big deal anyway as far as a hazard goes.

    I'm curious how you'd be able to get into everyone's house to scope it out. Knowing your district is important, but for private dwellings if you aren't there on a non-fire call before hand or can't see it from the outside, probably won't have a clue it's there until you call into it.


    I'm not sure about you, but if I was crawling around in zero visibility and found a big hole in the floor, it'd confuse the heck out of me.

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    Plus does the homeowner keep the pool chemicals (i.e. Chlorine) at home? Food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakesdad View Post
    And exactly how do you propose the fire department finds out about renovations, alterations, additions either legal or illegal within a private dwelling?

    And following normal search procedures doesn't ensure anything other than following normal search procedures.

    A swimming pool located in the middle of a private dwelling is certainly an unexpected hazard. For everyone except for you I suppose.
    Exactly, very well said.

    We all know if you follow all SOG’s, SOP’s and all safety procedures no one would ever be injured in the fire service.

    As far as falling in the pool some on my department (as well as a few posters here on FH) wouldn’t even get their feet damp as they truly believe they can walk on water

    Good post reebokHCFR

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Excellent post and I couldn't agree with you more.
    My thoughts here as well!!!! Another by the book ff huh?

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    I know some big city guys who fell in a indoor pool. They fight a good amount of fire. All it would take is both arms going over and the rest will follow. It is a special building consideration. The chemical thing metioned earlier is also pretty important. Bulldog share the wealth. Tell us how your department knows the ins and outs of all structures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Excellent post and I couldn't agree with you more.
    OK, if these guys agreed on it you may as well have heard it from a burning bush. Sorry fellas, I couldn't help it.

    I don't know how you could have gotten a heads up on this unless you (as a dept) went there on another call such as a medical and got the word out. I don't see any hints that would tell you there's a pool in the middle of it. Of course if we're looking at the house from this angle I'm driving the rig entirely too fast.

    One good thing for your guys is that if that raised roof had burned away there's a good chance that the pool area was well vented so you would have a chance to realize you were on a pool deck, then actually see the pool. I'm sure nobody was looking for this. If you are where I think you are, you're south of me and nobody has a basement around me, the water table is too high.
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    Not sure how you could find out if a private residence has this type of setup. Maybe something to put out there during the night out dog and pony show or something. A flyer with a list of special considerations in your home such as a handicapped, indoor pool, petting zoo, roller coaster... whatever, and a way to contact the home owners for details through email maybe???

    You could plan for something like this tactically if you have a Days Inn or other motel nearby that has an indoor pool.

    As far as walking on water... there has to be a class on this somewhere.

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    Nothing like going for a dip!

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    Many years ago the Jehova Witnesses bought and renovated an abandoned movie theater in my city. While going on a walk through the guide showed us a pool they installed for baptisms in the main hall. It's only 3ft deep and "usually covered over". Just shows you how you can find all kinds of stuff.

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    a buddy of mine had a structure fire at an octagon shaped house before

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    I'm not sure about you, but if I was crawling around in zero visibility and found a big hole in the floor, it'd confuse the heck out of me.


    Me Too. Especially if it was full of Water........
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandaLL78NY View Post
    a buddy of mine had a structure fire at an octagon shaped house before
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    Me Too. Especially if it was full of Water........
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    I know this is "perfect world" stuff that doesn't happen everywhere, but this is where your fire inspector and building inspectors need to talk to each other. When folks build these houses and citizens do legal renovations to their property it requires a building permit and that generally leads to at least one visit from a member of the building department. I would like to think that if the two inspection teams get along with each other they give heads up on this stuff. Like I said, this doesn't happen everywhere and in some cases these additions get done without a permit etc. but you've gotta make an effort to find these things out one way or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firehick View Post
    I know this is "perfect world" stuff that doesn't happen everywhere, but this is where your fire inspector and building inspectors need to talk to each other. When folks build these houses and citizens do legal renovations to their property it requires a building permit and that generally leads to at least one visit from a member of the building department. I would like to think that if the two inspection teams get along with each other they give heads up on this stuff. Like I said, this doesn't happen everywhere and in some cases these additions get done without a permit etc. but you've gotta make an effort to find these things out one way or another.
    You sure are asking a lot!


    Most places this doesn't happen. I wish it happened more often and I have tried to educate our building inspector but he is just clueless.


    Then again, you have to have the public get building permits too.

    What I try and do is take a drive around town and watch the new construction and check it out for myself. If I think something is noteworthy, i will have a training on it. My town is small enough to do this though.
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    I realize its a lot and in most larger areas isnt as practical. Like I said "perfect world" stuff but an effort deffinately needs to be made by someone who knows enough about what they're looking at and is willing to share what they see with other departments. We toured a house this summer because the department was alerted by the building inspectors that an indoor pool was going in, granted it is now one of the biggest houses in the city so we had noted it anyway, but the owner was more than happy to let us tour it. As he put it, "Its my family you boys may be saving one night, why not let you all know how to get around my house." Too bad not everyone has that attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Try sounding THAT floor!
    *thunk*
    *thunk*
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandaLL78NY View Post
    a buddy of mine had a structure fire at an octagon shaped house before

    Damn, how do you divide up that fireground? "Chief, we've got some fire showing on the...umm, lemme see...the "G" side..."......
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    Quote Originally Posted by firehick View Post
    I know this is "perfect world" stuff that doesn't happen everywhere, but this is where your fire inspector and building inspectors need to talk to each other. When folks build these houses and citizens do legal renovations to their property it requires a building permit and that generally leads to at least one visit from a member of the building department. I would like to think that if the two inspection teams get along with each other they give heads up on this stuff. Like I said, this doesn't happen everywhere and in some cases these additions get done without a permit etc. but you've gotta make an effort to find these things out one way or another.
    What fire inspector? What building inspector? Around here you go up to the parish Office of Emergency Preparedness, which doubles as the permit office (don't ask me why, other than they have staff there and someone must have thought they didn't have enough to do), you fill out a little form and pay a fee and BAM, you have a permit. At least that's all I needed when I put a new roof on my house after Hurricane Gustav. I was told that someone came by and looked at the job in progress but I never saw him. And as a fire chief I can tell you that CERTAINLY no one contacts me when a new building is coming up. Want to build a combination fireworks factory and day care center? Sure, sign here, that'll be $200.
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