Why register? ...To Enhance Your Experience
+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 43
  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    8,677

    Default Sick Leave Closes Five Atlanta Stations on Super Bowl Sunday

    Sick Leave Closes Five Atlanta Stations on Super Bowl Sunday

    Isn't this great? Talk about screwing yourselves. We can't close fire stations because the public will be at risk. However, it is OK to act irresponsible on Super Bowl Sunday. No some chucklehead will realize if we didn't need these guys Super Bowl Sunday then we really don't need them all year long. And heck, if the fire fighters don't care.

    This is a real poor example of professionalism and responsibility. Another Black eye for the fire service.


  2. #2
    Forum Member DeputyChiefGonzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    Somewhere between genius and insanity!
    Posts
    13,583

    Default

    Did you even read the story. or did you just post to sensationalize?
    ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
    Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY

  3. #3
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Canuck Expat May be anywhere
    Posts
    2,906

    Default

    You might just want to look at this from a bit different angle. As the economy and tax base shrinks, FDs are increasingly going to have less money. Thats going to increase the stress, job related injuries and plain old " to hell with it" attitude. Guys are going to be putting in their papers after 25 and there isn't going to be any bright shiny faces coming out of recruit class to replace them because of cutbacks resulting in hiring freeze. 5 years down the road, a lot of depts are going to be in pretty rough shape both equipment and manpower wise because of this situation. It'll take a lot longer to build these depts up than it was to tear them down.

  4. #4
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Atlanta, Ga
    Posts
    29

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Sick Leave Closes Five Atlanta Stations on Super Bowl Sunday

    Isn't this great? Talk about screwing yourselves. We can't close fire stations because the public will be at risk. However, it is OK to act irresponsible on Super Bowl Sunday. No some chucklehead will realize if we didn't need these guys Super Bowl Sunday then we really don't need them all year long. And heck, if the fire fighters don't care.

    This is a real poor example of professionalism and responsibility. Another Black eye for the fire service.

    Maybe if you ACTUALLY new what is going on with the AFD right now you would have a different view on things. Till then don't jump to an opinion by simply reading one article and thinking you know all about it.

  5. #5
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    SW MO
    Posts
    4,249

    Default

    Sensationalized or not, Superbowl Sunday isn't a good day to double your normal number of people off sick if the media's watching.

  6. #6
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Canuck Expat May be anywhere
    Posts
    2,906

    Default

    Cochran said he doesn't believe firefighters called in to make a political statement. He said Super Bowl Sunday and the payday weekend contributed to the higher-than-normal absenteeism rate.

    That statement is a truly sad commentary on how this dept views their own members. Absenteeism due to actual illness, injuries, family emergencies is perfectly understandable and reasonable. Making an excuse that a lot of people abuse sick call because its a payday weekend or the Super Bowl is on is a bloody disgrace. Either management, membership, or probably both need to get their head out of their collective butts and start being professional, rather than pogues slopping at the municipal trough with no regard for the oath they took when they joined.

  7. #7
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    May 1999
    Location
    Here, There, Everywhere
    Posts
    4,191

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    Sensationalized or not, Superbowl Sunday isn't a good day to double your normal number of people off sick if the media's watching.
    Each man is his own individual and unless you or this Chief is a Doctor any question of these men's health concerns is misplaced.

    Fires don't follow holidays and don't know when the game is on, I missed at least half of the game running around on BS. Neither does illness.

    The men didn't close those firehouses....the city of Atlanta did.

    FTM-PTB

  8. #8
    the 4-1-4 Jasper 45's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    ...A great place, on a Great Lake
    Posts
    2,784

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    This is a real poor example of professionalism and responsibility. Another Black eye for the fire service.
    There is no black eye for the fire service in this story. There is no evidence that this was a union action, which is illegal, by the way.
    Sick leave is a negotiated right, guaranteed by contract, and it is up to the individual member to decide on whether they choose to take the time.

    The lack of professionalism displayed here is by the city of Atlanta. The "black eye" is that the city of Atlanta refused to staff the sick leave positions for that day, and because of that forced the men and women of the AFD to be in danger with fewer resources.

    Do you want someone judging you and your illness? This is a physically demanding job, and a person must be fit for duty. Flu, severe colds, food poisoning, diarrhea are all cases in which I fully understand a lay up, and no justification is required.
    Never mind the fact that I would prefer someone err on the side of calling in sick, than to come in and make everyone on shift sick; that happens more often than you will ever know, or understand.

    How can you continue to spew such absolute nonsense? Since you've never fought a fire, I guess I can understand how you don't understand.
    Last edited by jasper45; 02-02-2009 at 10:25 AM.

  9. #9
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    SW MO
    Posts
    4,249

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    Each man is his own individual and unless you or this Chief is a Doctor any question of these men's health concerns is misplaced.

    Fires don't follow holidays and don't know when the game is on, I missed at least half of the game running around on BS. Neither does illness.

    The men didn't close those firehouses....the city of Atlanta did.

    FTM-PTB
    You're getting a bit defensive for not having a reason. All I stated was that Superbowl Sunday isn't a good day to double your normal number of people on sick leave.

    You and I both know how the media's going to spin it and how the public's going to view it, whether they're truly sick or not. It's the City's way of putting the monkey on the firefighter's back.

  10. #10
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    Greensboro, NC USA
    Posts
    1,306

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    The men didn't close those firehouses....the city of Atlanta did.
    I hate it when facts ruin a good story.
    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    Sick leave is a negotiated right, guaranteed by contract, and it is up to the individual member to decide on whether they choose to take the time.

    The "black eye" is that the city of Atlanta refused to staff the sick leave positions for that day, and because of that forced the men and women of the AFD to be in danger with fewer resources.
    Ditto.
    The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

  11. #11
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Southern Indiana
    Posts
    497

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    You're getting a bit defensive for not having a reason. All I stated was that Superbowl Sunday isn't a good day to double your normal number of people on sick leave.

    You and I both know how the media's going to spin it and how the public's going to view it, whether they're truly sick or not. It's the City's way of putting the monkey on the firefighter's back.
    The way I see it is that there isn't nearly enough information to make a call on what is happening. IE, is the number sick drasticly different that any other spike in numbers. If this is clearly a statistical anomaly, then its well within the rights of all parties to question it. (it may be legit). If its merely a 'high' point that isn't all that unusual - other than its super bowl sunday - then its a big non-issue. I'd personally wager politics had more to do with this than any significant change in absenteeism.

    As for the issue of employees taking sick leave instead of vacation time - that is a much more widespread problem and is in no way unique to the fire service.

  12. #12
    Forum Member bharer75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    West Coast Pride!
    Posts
    352

    Default

    are you kidding me? the superbowl at the station was awesome! see the steelers own, eat food, get a structure fire! all in one!

  13. #13
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    May 1999
    Location
    Here, There, Everywhere
    Posts
    4,191

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    You're getting a bit defensive for not having a reason. All I stated was that Superbowl Sunday isn't a good day to double your normal number of people on sick leave.

    You and I both know how the media's going to spin it and how the public's going to view it, whether they're truly sick or not. It's the City's way of putting the monkey on the firefighter's back.

    I took your comments differently...my appologies.

    FTM-PTB

  14. #14
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    SW MO
    Posts
    4,249

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    I took your comments differently...my appologies.

    FTM-PTB
    No problem, I thought that may have been the case and why I wanted to clarify.

  15. #15
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    8,677

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    You might just want to look at this from a bit different angle. As the economy and tax base shrinks, FDs are increasingly going to have less money. Thats going to increase the stress, job related injuries and plain old " to hell with it" attitude. Guys are going to be putting in their papers after 25 and there isn't going to be any bright shiny faces coming out of recruit class to replace them because of cutbacks resulting in hiring freeze. 5 years down the road, a lot of depts are going to be in pretty rough shape both equipment and manpower wise because of this situation. It'll take a lot longer to build these depts up than it was to tear them down.
    Then again Hundreds Camp Out for Miami Firefighter Jobs

  16. #16
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    8,677

    Default

    I am glad to see some folks get it. All I am saying is with the current economy and governments everywhere looking to cut budgets, now is not a good time to do soemthing like this. Perhaps every illness was legit and it was just coincidence it happened on Super Bowl Sunday. J.Q. Public doesn't care, all they know is a lot of folks called out sick, probably many of them so they could watch the Super Bowl. I have a job and a responsibility. I was there and I missed half of the game. Such is life. Then again, our society as a whole likes to abuse sick leave. I know people who never use a sick day and there are others who don't live one on the books. The guys that called out just because they didn't feel like working will have to deal with their own conscious. It is there own morals and ethics that allowed them to screw the public and their brothers in the department. I'm sure there were some legitimate illness, But we all know that even on a regular day not all call outs are for illnesses. A lot of folks call out just because they would rather do something else.

  17. #17
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    7

    Default

    I just recently quit the Altanta Fire Department. I didn't want to and loved working in a big city but the way we were being treated was not not good to say the least. Pay cuts, no uniforms, runing under staffed. Each year we are supposed to get a cost of living raise, that has been frozen for the past 5 years. I talked to a friend of mine still working there and he said they are losing a average of ten people a month to retirement and resigning due to the lack of leadership and the way the city is managing itself right now. The mayor has consistantly tore apart the fire dept. in more then one way. Even after the city council had found money to reopen stations the mayor has veto the motion everytime. These stations being cut really hurts the surrounding houses. The station I was at averaged 15-20 calls a day, it now has two close by stations closed, I just talked to a buddy still there and there calls are more like 30 and up now. It is hurting responce times and increaseing risk of injury due to fatigue. I am not saying I justifying calling in sick all the time, but like others have said it is your earned time and in the contract for you to use them. It is said that some just automaticly think that the firefighters there in ATL don't care about the people or jobs. Next time please make sure you get the facts straight before you start bashing your brothers and sisters.

  18. #18
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,063

    Default

    How bout this headline instead.

    Atlanta Closes 5 stations due to budget cuts.

    or even better

    City Fathers can't balance a checkbook, citizens screwed.

  19. #19
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    2,952

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I am glad to see some folks get it. All I am saying is with the current economy and governments everywhere looking to cut budgets, now is not a good time to do soemthing like this. Perhaps every illness was legit and it was just coincidence it happened on Super Bowl Sunday. J.Q. Public doesn't care, all they know is a lot of folks called out sick, probably many of them so they could watch the Super Bowl. I have a job and a responsibility. I was there and I missed half of the game. Such is life. Then again, our society as a whole likes to abuse sick leave. I know people who never use a sick day and there are others who don't live one on the books. The guys that called out just because they didn't feel like working will have to deal with their own conscious. It is there own morals and ethics that allowed them to screw the public and their brothers in the department. I'm sure there were some legitimate illness, But we all know that even on a regular day not all call outs are for illnesses. A lot of folks call out just because they would rather do something else.
    Yes, some of us "get it", but you certainly aren't one of them.

    There's no evidence that's been presented on here to indicate these FFs specifically did anything wrong. It's not uncommon to have a sick leave policy that requires the employee to do nothing more than "report off" in order to take sick leave and not need to submit any sort of doctor's note or excuse unless multiple days are missed.

    If these FFs utilized their sick leave within the rules & regulations for such, then they did nothing wrong and didn't "screw" anybody. Are we supposed to call our co-workers first to make sure that "too many" don't call off for a shift?

    Yes, some brother and sister(?) firefighters may very well have gotten the short end of this deal, but the blame for such is with the City if vacancies were not filled and they were forced to work "understaffed".

  20. #20
    Forum Member CaptOldTimer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 1999
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    7,229

    Exclamation

    scarecrow57 Do you want the truth? Can you handle the truth??



    February 1, 2009

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    Contact: Jim Daws



    DANGEROUS FIRE RESCUE COMPANY CLOSURES


    Today, as a result of the reckless and irresponsible budget cuts to Atlanta
    Fire Rescue, seven fire companies have been closed due to lack of adequate
    staffing. The closures are as follows:



    1. Ladder Truck 25
    2. Ladder Truck 26
    3. Engine 12
    4. Engine 22
    5. Engine 26
    6. Engine 30
    7. Engine 36

    This is in addition to the ongoing closures of:


    1. Squad 4 (HazMat and Heavy Rescue)
    2. Ladder Truck 12
    3. Engine 7
    4. Engine 23

    The hazardous materials and technical rescue response plan has also be
    compromised due to inadequate staffing.

    These closures constitute an unacceptable risk to Atlanta's citizens and
    firefighters, and a complete failure on the part of Atlanta's government to
    fulfill its basic function of public safety.

    Atlanta Professional Fire Fighters Association president Jim Daws
    commented, "What you're seeing today is a total unraveling of the fire
    protection and disaster response scheme in the City of Atlanta. Fires and
    other emergencies are no respecters of budget shortfalls. They will come
    when they will, and if Fire Rescue is unprepared to respond, lives and
    property will be lost. These cuts to Fire Rescue are nothing less than
    governmental malpractice on the part of Atlanta's elected officials, and
    the citizens should not stand for it."

    Atlanta's citizens are asked to be especially careful and vigilant against
    fires today.
    Stay Safe and Well Out There....

    Always remembering 9-11-2001 and 343+ Brothers

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Who Is going to the Super Bowl?
    By TFD2008 in forum The Off Duty Forums
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 10-27-2006, 04:38 PM
  2. Super Bowl Sunday
    By MalahatTwo7 in forum The Off Duty Forums
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 02-02-2006, 07:46 AM
  3. Super bowl picks
    By nozzelvfd in forum The Off Duty Forums
    Replies: 55
    Last Post: 02-22-2005, 02:56 PM
  4. Let's Talk Super Bowl!!!!
    By captstanm1 in forum The Off Duty Forums
    Replies: 34
    Last Post: 02-02-2004, 11:27 AM
  5. Bono At The Super Bowl
    By pwc606 in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 32
    Last Post: 03-22-2002, 03:59 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts