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    Just seeing if anyone has any literature about painting the last 2 rungs, beams, and rails on your ground ladders to make them more visible through smoky conditions. I asked out Chief if I could and he shot it down. So much for our safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjcortese View Post
    Just seeing if anyone has any literature about painting the last 2 rungs, beams, and rails on your ground ladders to make them more visible through smoky conditions. I asked out Chief if I could and he shot it down. So much for our safety.
    If you're throwing these ladders for egress, how would you see the painted rungs? If the ladder is two rungs into the window, how will you climb on to escape? (Obviously, this depends on the size of the window, but I hope you see my point.)

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    I understand it wouldn't be advantageous to have painted rungs for escape placement but for regular roof work, it might.

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    Would it be because paint can help hide small cracks that might otherwise be visible when a firefighter inspects it after use, before stowing on the truck?

    Did your Chief give you a reason?

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    No reasons, just no. I can see your point though regarding the cracks.

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    How about wrapping it with reflective tape? The tape could easily be removed so the ladder can be inspected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNFF319 View Post
    How about wrapping it with reflective tape? The tape could easily be removed so the ladder can be inspected.
    That seems like a good idea.

    I know they also sell some fancy strobe light thing... but i've never been a fan.

    I like the tape idea.
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    i like the tape idea also. I've never seen reflective paint sold anywhere, but I have seen reflective tape.

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    http://forums.firehouse.com/showthre...ferrerid=81096

    I posted a similar question a while back. I also spelled roof wrong in the title...but anyway theres some good info there.

    Ladders are painted all over the country in places that see more fire in a week than I'm likely to see in a career. It seems to be quite safe and works for the respective departments. Some guys here will warn you how dangerous it is, simple fact is its acceptable and frequently done and sanctioned by the manufacturers of the ladders.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    We Paint Ours. Glenn Dale Yellow. Great for Visibility........
    Does the school district know you stole their ladders?????

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    This called TRADITION by old East Coast Urban Fire Departments.

    For years and I remember much of those old years, we used wooden truss ladders on all ladder trucks. Wooden solid beam on pumpers. That being said, it was our departmentís policy to paint all butts and tips with white paint to the second rung or 18 inches from each end of the ladder.

    No this wasn't done to hide a thing, but to make the ladder visible at the roofs edge or in a window. Also this also made the butts visible while being used at any job.

    Along the outside part of the butt the length of the ladder and the company number was stencil in black on white for easy identifying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    This called TRADITION by old East Coast Urban Fire Departments.

    For years and I remember much of those old years, we used wooden truss ladders on all ladder trucks. Wooden solid beam on pumpers. That being said, it was our departmentís policy to paint all butts and tips with white paint to the second rung or 18 inches from each end of the ladder.

    No this wasn't done to hide a thing, but to make the ladder visible at the roofs edge or in a window. Also this also made the butts visible while being used at any job.

    Along the outside part of the butt the length of the ladder and the company number was stencil in black on white for easy identifying.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    We Paint Ours. Glenn Dale Yellow. Great for Visibility........
    you mean as a theft deterrent?

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    we have our tips reflective silver and yellow to see them from the roof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    Is that a Pirsch Tractor Drawn Quint??............

    You old bird, its a 1969 Oren-Duplex/1945 Pirsch 100ft TDA. That was a real Truck! This was long before the Quints hit the scene!!

    It carried about 300 feet of ground ladders.


    Check this site for ladders, maintenance and care.

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    Gotta love being the tillerman in the rain. It probably has windshield wipers on both sides of the glass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNFF319 View Post
    Gotta love being the tillerman in the rain. It probably has windshield wipers on both sides of the glass.

    Our '45 and '48 Mack Pumpers did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    You old bird, its a 1969 Oren-Duplex/1945 Pirsch 100ft TDA. That was a real Truck! This was long before the Quints hit the scene!!

    It carried about 300 feet of ground ladders.


    Check this site for ladders, maintenance and care.

    http://www.duosafety.com/

    The Stick is unmistakably a Pirsch, but I couldn't quite pin down the Cab..... Too Square for a Cincinatti or Hendrickson....... With you guys being not too far from Vinton (2 Hrs??) Oren is a no-brainer.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    The Stick is unmistakably a Pirsch, but I couldn't quite pin down the Cab..... Too Square for a Cincinatti or Hendrickson....... With you guys being not too far from Vinton (2 Hrs??) Oren is a no-brainer.....
    We had a few from OREN while they were producing them. I've brought back a few of them from the factory. Really closer to three hours or a tad bit more.

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    One 1965 Duplex chassis Pumper 1500/300 assigned as Engine 10

    One 1965 Duplex chassis Tractor, matched to a 1954 Pirsch 100 ft aerial ladder assigned as Truck 2

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    One 1967 Duplex chassis Pumper 1000/300 assigned as Engine 12

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    Capt. Do you sit on the ladder to steer that tiller and how are the steering linkages run?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENG103 View Post
    Capt. Do you sit on the ladder to steer that tiller and how are the steering linkages run?
    Engine One-Oh-Three, check out this photo and my comments:


    As you see in this photo of the Tiller position. The seat normally is down inside the aerial in road mode. If the aerial is to be raised, then the windshield is moved out of the way, the seat is raised and the steering wheel is released and pulled out of the socket. There is a spleen (teeth like) on both the socket and end to the post of the steering wheel so when the post is in the proper road position the steering wheel can turn the rear trailer wheel. This is done by muscle. Newer tiller rigs have some hydraulic assist. You turn the wheel to the left and the trailer goes right and turning to the right the trailer goes left!

    There were wipers on both side of the windshield but they perform marginally. Also you see canvas that was there to protect the tillerman from the elements! Not much help.
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