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    I haven't had the chance to read it throroughly yet, but I got a link to this article in an email just a few minutes ago.


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    The following is from the paperwork listed on the White House web site which states it is what was signed by The President. (Page H1419)

    "FIREFIGHTER ASSISTANCE GRANTS
    The conferees provide $210,000,000 for firefighter assistance grants instead of $500,000,000 as proposed by the Senate and no funding proposed by the House. As proposed by the Senate, funds are provided for modifying, upgrading or constructing non-Federal fire stations, not to exceed 15,000,000 per grant. The conferees expect this funding to support nearly 2,000 jobs based on an estimate by the Department of Homeland Security."

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    Stations are like any other grant project, have to know need and cost which can be done anytime and then updated periodically. Can't believe they capped it at $15 million, shouldn't even have to be that high. As far as I'm concerned facia should be local costs like brick front, etc. Grant monies get it built, local funds make it look pretty. Heck, can probably even couple this with an environmental impact grant for alternative energy sources.

    Funny about the local match thing on SAFER hiring. That would be the quickest way to make layoffs happen Day 1 Year 6. If departments can't handle the local matching now then there's going to be 0 points for project sustainability in the grant app. Less chance of getting funded then than now.

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    Brain. This is the part about SAFER. Hard to determine, but after searching for section 34, it turns out it is SAFER. (15 U.S.C. 2229a) the following is also on page H1419.

    "Section 603. The conferees include a provision, as proposed by the House, waiving the cost-share for grants under section 34 of the Federal Fire Prevention and Control Act of 1974 for fiscal years 2009 and 2010."

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    Since this thread is "Stimulus Bill", I submit this info too. Looks like on pages H1420 and H1421 forestry is getting over $1billion. $515 million for wildfire management and $650 million for capital improvement and maintenance. This could possibly translate into aid to departments that have a WUI problem.

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    Odds are that's replacing the RFA and VFA money that was cut over the past few years, so it will funnel out through the traditional routes.

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    Here is a little more info that I received in an email about the stimulus package for Stations. http://blog.firechief.com/mutual_aid.../shovel-ready/

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    And... it passed

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    Default Station Construction

    From an email from IAFC's:

    $210 million for fire station construction

    The stimulus bill provided the U.S. Department of Homeland Securityís Assistance to Firefighters Grant (AFG) program with $210 million for fire station construction. According to the law, no grant can exceed $15 million. We expect the AFG office to use a competitive application process that will be similar to the FIRE and SAFER grant application process so applications will be fairly and appropriately reviewed.

    The application period is expected to take place this summer. The AFG office said they will have information on the fire station construction grants available as soon as possible at www.firegrantsupport.com.

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    Hopefully since it's a new animal they'll get SAFER out of the way and then open this one. Stacked app periods reduce my sleep count, like right now with FP&S and AFG apps in the pile.

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    Just came across more info from the IAFF and IAFC in this piece- http://www.firerescue1.com/legislati...-need-to-know/

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    In my opinion, any stimulus grant monies should apply only to those departments which have had to halt construction due to lack of funds. Then the focus should shift to those facilties that currently do not provide a safe working environment such as exhaust removal systems, safe breathing air systems, working plumbing etc..

    Too many times grant money goes to who can write the best grant and "pad" what they already have. My community has received four grants in the last three years and they applied to those projects we greatly needed in order to provide basic service. We built a new station and zero grant dollars went toward it's construction. We had to raise taxes in order to build it. Grant money went towards SCBA and staff.

    Let's identify the departments that need the basic essentials and get them the money to get the job done. Replacing any facility less than 20 years old right now does not make sense. If adding a facility, it should be justified with response times and staffing.

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    Basic essentials would be fixing stations already in place, not ones with construction started, depending on why it was started. Construction started and stopped means someone didn't properly plan the finances, whether not enough money in the bank or having the secure loans in place to finish the job. Wasting money by poor planning on the largest single investment a community can make in its fire department doesn't make it a grant priority. There are a ton of folks out there in trailers, stations without walls, 100+ year old plumbing, no HVAC and other issues like you mentioned that are direct health and safety needs.

    Certainly if the station was being built to get away from those conditions then that's a viable thing to do but again planning is all part of the game. That IMHO would rank over someone adding a station for response times.

    At least they're incorporating it into the AFG system to save some admin bucks and get most of the funds out in awards. Of course that means get the apps prepared now, won't be a surprise to see all categories of construction and cost-estimates, meaning get them all now.

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    I agree....except for the fact that there are some departments that did properly plan and still got reared because of budget cuts and stopping construction on a new station does two things for the politicians. First, they redirected the funds elsewhere to make up for shortfalls. Secondly, they "look" responsible in the public eye for stopping construction and "saving" the money.

    I'm glad to see that the funding is included in the AFG program. The program along with SAFER have been fairly well managed thus far. Our state has several grant programs that fail or do not accomplish it's intended purpose because they are knee-jerk reaction funds.

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    Default Community Development Block Grants

    Hi All,

    If AFG does not control the flow of this money, and if your service area is outside a juisdictional area such as outside a city limit, then you will be subjected to LMI survey of that area and only after you pass 51%+ LMI limits can you qualify under a program called Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) program which is under HUD.

    As a Certified CDBG writer and administer in the State of Kentucky, I can tell you this money is already available for fire department buildings.

    The only way you can apply is having your governmental agency: either city of county, apply for you as an applicant agent if you pass the 51% LMI test. This will tie up their CDBG program until 50% of the funds have been expended. Then the city of county can apply for other block grant funding.

    If I can be of assistance, please contact me:
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    Okay part of this post is to keep the thread fresh, I am trying to get an early start on the station grant process. Does anyone have any thoughts on what the program priorities might be?

    I am thinking
    Shovel ready
    favorable cost vs benefit
    job creation (construction workers, designers, electricians, etc...)
    critical infrastructure
    environmental initiatives (ie solar, wind, geothermal etc...)
    code compliance (ie sprinkler systems)
    facilities occupied 24/7

    If anyone has any other thoughts lets share!
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    Thinking that it will be not too distant from current AFG related to construction stuff: cost-benefit ties into 24/7 occupation and code compliance. Every project we apply for should be 'shovel ready' anyway, save for their money to make it happen. That's buildings, SCBA, trucks, etc. Ready to go once awarded.

    Don't see job creation making the list since cost-benefit goes to those doing labor in house or having labor donated. Especially since every job created costs more money and doesn't get work done on another station somewhere else. Environmental would be a plus in my book, any kind of sustainable energy plan should be included in any new building, grant project or not. One department I talked to the other week said they can do geothermal in the station for $80k (20k sq ft I beleive) and it will save over $20k a year in utility costs for AC and heating. Not too bad for a 4 year ROI.

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    Any idea if station remodeling or renovations will fit in this program? Could we finally fix the leaky roofs and bay doors that don't open?

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    Ryan, I can lend you a couple of guys to work on those bay doors that are not working, they just drive through them. Also had them to drive out of the stations with the high side compartment doors open. These leave a nice mark on the truck, and the building.

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