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    I could also use a little help with a hose grant. If anyone can forward me what you have I would appreciate it. By the way I have one for turnout gear if anyone needs help with that (successful).

    Does anyone know if they have a dollar figure cap on the cost of a length of hose? For all the different sizes? Was just curious because I know they place a high dollar cap on alot of other things. Anyway if anyone has anything as far as narratives for any/all types of hose I would appreciate the help. Address is below.

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    Catch22 I did not recieve your narrative please try to send again.
    Thanks Aaron ampaul@centurytel.net

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    Wink Catch22, Imagine you are a Programmer trying to write the AFG computer formula

    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    To touch on the intake valve thing, we purchased the TFT Jumbo BIV's with the remote control package. Our is set up with the 6" male threads coming out as opposed to the 5" Storz. What we're going to do is leave the 6" males coming out so that we can hook our suction lines to them when drafting. When using our low-level strainers out of a dump tank, we can use the siphon on the strainer to prime the suction line and switch from tank water to draft without losing pressure.

    In order to use the 5" hose, we simply screw on a 6" female x 5" Storz adapter and lock the hose in. It might take an extra 10-15 seconds, but that shouldn't run us out of water by any means.



    Why not just ask for it in the grant instead of using your excess funds? As long as part of the total solution and you can explain the need in the narrative and why it's associated with the project, there shouldn't be any problems getting it awarded with the entire package. You just have to write it up in the narrative right. Our project is probably as close to a laundry list you can get, as it has three different lengths of LDH, a slew of adapters and wyes, two sizes of hard suction, two sizes of two different kinds of strainers, and two sizes of Turbo Drafts.

    Maybe it's a perspective thing, but I picture the "laundry list" as projects over different categories. If you're doing "water supply", dont' put in bunker gear, etc, but get what you need to make where you can supply water. If you're asking for PPE, stick with PPE and don't add the hose, nozzles, etc.
    In my mind that is full of 0's, 1's, bytes and bits, I believe that when the compute scores you, it looks at the checkboxes you select under each item and assigns them a weighted score based on the questions, is it required by statute, the age, the type of item, etc. If you have multiple items, laundry list, I would think it would have to average the score from each individual item to get a total score. Anytime you average a group of numbers the mean is going to be lower then the priority item. How else could the computer rank and score the priority items and give higher weighting to dept's with old non-compliant equipment? The computer score also must look at your call volume, population, etc. It somehow assigns a higher need or priority to certain items. Having all this clutter of little items in the application and narrative seems like it would hurt your average score. Use of Excess funds doesn't get scored and it simplifies your entire application and narrative. If I new the scoring system, I would be a popular guy. When every point counts, I would plan to use excess funds to cover the little stuff. 1 item, 1 score. As shown by this program, if you have the right stats, some dept's can fund just about any project, even a $750,000 ladder. I agree 100% with the total solution, just suggesting to eliminate the clutter.

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    Catch 22 I would like a copy of the narrative also, Thank You in advance. rcoggsdale@yahoo.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    If he's using 6" Hard Suction, then he's only restricting his intake volume by moving to a 5" connection.

    Anytime 6" HSH is used, nothing smaller than 6" should be in the system, because it creates a bottle neck and restricts flow.
    Not enough to matter.

    How many FD do you know that are using 6" LDH?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    I actually figured that out when it got sent back to me as undeliverable. The only thing I could find was that "fire" was misspelled. It went through, hopefully to the right guy.

    Thanks, though!
    Sorry, blond moment. I haven't received your's Catch. If the
    mmpwfireco@innernet.net does not work could you try dsjr124@comcast.net. Thanks you guys are wonderful. Hope to see some of you in Reno.

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    I think I've got caught up with all you guys wanting copies of our narrative. If I missed you, let me know.

    Fortsutphen, I sent it to both your addresses to make sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by wtfd2940 View Post
    Does anyone know if they have a dollar figure cap on the cost of a length of hose? For all the different sizes? Was just curious because I know they place a high dollar cap on alot of other things. Anyway if anyone has anything as far as narratives for any/all types of hose I would appreciate the help.
    I did my pricing based off a certain companly that rhymes with "Harley" and their online catalog. When we did the bidding, I ended up with considerably lower prices on all bids, even with a price increase while we were waiting to hear. In the end, I have about $9K in excess funds I have to figure out how to spend. Well, I have to decided, there's a lot of ideas for the $5K and beyond that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    Not enough to matter.
    What do you base that on? There's no facts to support that generalization. At equal pressures, a 6" diameter port flows 44% more water than a 5" diameter port. So if I take a strong pump that happens to cavitate at 1,000 GPM with a 5" valve & hose, I can logically assume that it would flow about 1,440 GPM with a 6" valve & hose.

    While I haven't tested a 5" connection, I can tell that reducing from a 6" to a 4" restricted flow from 1,542 GPM to 942 GPM.
    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    How many FD do you know that are using 6" LDH?
    I didn't mention anyone using 6" LDH, and I don't appreciate you trying to put words into my mouth.

    I mentioned using 6" HARD SUCTION HOSE, and buying intake valves to match.
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