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    I work for a department that has around 24 employees and serves around 13,000. We have 3 guys going through medic school and 3 more going through in May. From May till August all six will be in school. Instead of hiring overtime our chief has decided no one can take off for a vacation or holiday. Some shifts have only two guys at the station. Something has to change. The PD just received six new police cars but we can't get the oil changed in our rescue truck? The bad thing is you can only have so many hours of vacation and holiday time at the end of the year before you loose that time. Anybody else having these problems?


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    Do you have a contract?
    Are you represented by a bargaining unit?

    Sounds like a winnable Unfair Labor Practice claim to me. Unless you dont have a contract or there is more to the story that you are not telling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMOKEEATERFF View Post
    I work for a department that has around 24 employees and serves around 13,000. We have 3 guys going through medic school and 3 more going through in May. From May till August all six will be in school. Instead of hiring overtime our chief has decided no one can take off for a vacation or holiday. Some shifts have only two guys at the station. Something has to change. The PD just received six new police cars but we can't get the oil changed in our rescue truck? The bad thing is you can only have so many hours of vacation and holiday time at the end of the year before you loose that time. Anybody else having these problems?
    What are the terms of your contract?

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    No contract that I know of. Our dept isn't in the Union. That's all of the story. For some reason the chief doesn't want to hire overtime. I am about ready to find another dept. I know cities are facing budget cuts but this only puts ff's lives in danger. Moral has been low for a while. We had really bad problems with the ambulance company and he voted for them to return.

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    AL is a "right to work" state. What this means is unions have very limited powers and collective bargaining (labor contracts) basically don't exist. That said, not knowing the labor laws in your state you may still have an unfair labor practice on your hands. This is a perfect example of why you need to organize an IAFF Local in your department. The union can provide great assistance in a time like this even in a right to work (for less) state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4southside3 View Post
    AL is a "right to work" state.
    That means you have the right-to-work, or the right-to-quit if you don't like something they are doing.

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    Yeah the term "right to work" makes it sound like a nice happy fuzzy thing that somehow protects the employee. It doesn't. It exists to make sure the ball is almost always in managements court. It means they have a right to **** you in the *** with no lube or you can hit the road.

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    So he says you can't take your vacation during this six month period. I know it is an inconvienience. But how big is your department. Is it big enough that by not taking any vacations during this time that not everyone will get to take a vacation. Or is it that you want a vacation during this period and this year you can not. I understand wanting to be able to go with family and all that and I applaud you for that. But if chief is faced with a budget that is ever shrinking and he cannot afford overtime right now, this may be his way around that.

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    What better reason do you need to join the Brotherhood??

    Look up your state assoc, or call IAFF direct and learn about getting organized.

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    If that happened in my Dept, sick time usage would skyrocket.
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