Hi Guys I have been reading with great interest your threads and I have found a vast amount of information very valuable to study here in the UK. Can any one help me with a term I have recently come across..."Disentanglement" I presume this is to do with SCBA? Are there any courses or further information on this subject please?
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03-09-2009, 05:43 PM #1
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03-10-2009, 12:12 PM #2
Yes it can pertain to having your SCBA tangled in rope, wires, or anything.
I've also heard the term used with car accidents too. Car is crushed around the passenger(s) so it must be cut away from them before they can be removed.
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03-11-2009, 12:30 AM #4
03-11-2009, 12:41 AM #5
"Smokediver" also sometimes called "SCBA Specialist School" is an advanced SCBA challenge class. Teaches you every conceivable situation you could get yourself into while structural firefighting......Instills confidence in your equipment and team mates in high-stress situations, particularly during loss-of-air events. Teaches air management, personal emergency evacuation procedures, emergency use of SCBA (for example if your bypass were to fail, break the bottle off the harness and breath by putting your mouth on the valve assembly and turning the valve on and off.....) It's an extremely intense, very physical class that will challenge even the best of physically fit FF's.
Maryland Fire and Rescue Institute (MFRI) had a great class years ago, lasted 4 days if I remember right.........
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03-11-2009, 12:55 AM #6
03-11-2009, 02:17 PM #7
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When entangled in Kentucky's required Firefighter Survival,Escape and Rescue class(we weren't issued a rabbit and canteen for this one),we were taught how to "swim" out of the entaglement first.Extend arms down to waist.One at a time swing them up and overhead to sweep entanglements clear of SCBA,helmet and other things you need.
This "usually" clears up the entanglement and you can go on your way,feeling ahead of yourself for any holes in the floor or victims along the way.
It's best performed in training without an Explorer panicking because his air ran out due to not checking it before the exercise.
03-11-2009, 10:32 PM #8
O-key Do-key, that answered my question. I've taken a course in advanced search and rescue course that was basically a RIT and self removal course. It was TOUGH!A coward stands by and watches wrongs committed without saying a word...Any opinions expressed are purely my own and not necessarily reflective of the views of my former departments
03-12-2009, 11:05 PM #9
Jonners, go to the front page of Firehouse.com and look up the Watch>training videos and more... link. Dr Burton Clark has a good mayday presentation there that will give you a few ideas pertaining to entanglement.A coward stands by and watches wrongs committed without saying a word...Any opinions expressed are purely my own and not necessarily reflective of the views of my former departments
03-19-2009, 01:43 PM #10
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Often times, the entanglement will not be cleared by simply sweeping it off of you. The sweeping technique is good at preventing initial entanglement, but once you are truly "caught" by an entanglement hazard, you will need to do additional procedures to try and remove that hazard.
03-19-2009, 02:48 PM #11
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- Sep 2006
- Northeast Coast
It's sad that some places are still teaching self-rescue techniques as "advanced training". Many years ago after attending a pretty arduous self-rescue program in Providence, we determined that our FD would not let another newbie become SCBA certified without learning and mastering all the self-rescue techniques. Similarly, all of our personnel who served as instructors refused to teach SCBA programs for County schools unless these evolutions were added. I remember two of us returning from RI, amazed at how little we'd learned about saving ourselves in our first 10-15 years by following state sanctioned IFSTA style SCBA and search/rescue training.
Along the disentanglement lines we ensure students master the swim method, low profile SCBA maneuvers, SCBA removal/redonning, and safe cutting. All students must gradaute from the "Box", which is a 10 foot maze of wires and ropes that takes most about 20 minutes to get through. We generally can see the students who have claustrophobia issues very quickly, those who cannot focus or suppress their frustrations as well as those who utilize the techniques they've been taught. This goes hand in hand with proper MAYDAY training, situational awareness techniques and many other evolutions designed to keep students from being a liability to themselves and their company members. The best part is that this is all hands on, no Power Point period.
03-24-2009, 05:26 PM #12
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- Cleveland, Texas
03-24-2009, 06:24 PM #13Robert Kramer
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03-25-2009, 07:28 AM #14"sauver ou périr"
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