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    Default Urban/ Interface Pumper Narratives & Ideas & picturer

    Starting a new thread all about U/I pumpers. I am looking for a successful narrative and for ideas and pictures for U/I pumpers. This is a sharing ground. I will make the first post with my ideas for a U/I pumper. If you have a U/I pumper you are proud of, show it off!!!


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    Based upon the Rosenbauer Timberwolf
    ***Chassis and Cab***
    International 7400 4x4 chassis crew cab
    International diesel engine
    Allison transmission
    Engine brake
    ABS
    Heating/ AC
    Cruise control
    Air Ride Driver's & Officer's Seat
    4 SCBA seats
    Onboard air compressor, block heater and shore line
    Cab controlled spotlight
    120v interior receptacle

    **Warning**
    Electric siren Package
    Emergency light controls mounted above AO seat (CB pocket)
    Dual air horn foot pedals
    Code 3 led warning package

    ***Lighting and Radios***
    LED compartment lighting
    LED step and underbody lighting
    LED DOT lighting package for turning, brake, etc.
    Rear scene lighting tied to reverse
    External fire radio speakers
    Stereo w/ cd, (aux input tied into intercom for conflag drives!)
    Fog lighting
    12v scene lighting (alley lights)
    (4) Telescoping work lights

    ***Body Options***
    (6) Side Compartments
    (1) Rear compartment
    Backboard storage in hose bed (against wall)
    Adjustable shelves
    4 hose bed dividers, adjustable sliding
    Electric hydraulic ladder rack w/ motion strobes, pike pole mount,
    Reflective chevron on rear, inside of passenger doors
    Splatter paint compartment interiors
    Rear fold down steps
    Front fold down steps and
    Handles by all steps
    Rear towing receiver
    Roll out tray in rear compartments
    Scba cylinder storage in wheel well
    Hose bed cover, aluminum, electric hydraulic lift
    Slide out tray in rear pump compartment (#1)
    4” Reflective Z striping
    standard hinged doors
    Under body wheel chalk storage
    Towing receiver mounted under front bumper and rear

    ***General***
    Center console w/ pump controls, joystick, VHF radio, siren controls, CB Radio
    Generator w/ remote start, manual pull backup

    **Pump, piping, water and discharges***
    750-1000 gpm pump, PTO, engaged “on the fly”
    ***Or hydrostatic***
    Remote controlled front turret
    Pump controls in cab
    2X booster reels under cab
    Automatic primer
    Extended front bumper with (2) 1 ¾” preconnects
    Automatic foam induction system
    (2) rear 1 ¾ Preconnects, one driver, one officer
    (1) rear 2 ½ preconnect
    Pressure control governor
    750+ gallons 3” direct tank fill
    Through tank suction storage
    Front suction on swivel (large)
    Side suction from inside compartments (large---only if rear mount pump)


    ***Equipment and Paint***
    2 tone red on white
    Gold lettering
    External 120v receptacles
    12k winch, mounted on towing stinger
    Mountings for 2 shovels, 2 Pulaski, 2 pick head axes, 2 hazel hoes, 1 Haligan
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    PTO pump - stick with 1000gpm or less. 750gpm is better idea from maintenance standpoint.

    Where is the CAFS?

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    Could not have mentioned a better urban interface myself. That is what my AFG truck grant is asking for.

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    Got to go with NEIOWA on this one, you forgot to mention the CAFS.

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    Default Rosnebauer NH 1000 Pump

    The Timberwolf normally uses the NH 1000 pump - its a multi staged pump (basically 2 pumps in one) - a normal 1000 gpm @ 150 psi pump, and a high pressure 100 gpm at 600 psi pump.

    We still have an old Pierce Midi pumper with a 400 gpm 2 stage Waterous pump (400 gpm @ 150 psi, 200 gpm @ 400 psi). I haven't had the luxury of using CAFS yet, but having the high pressure on grass fire is great.

    Our 4x4 pickups have the Hale 200 pump - which only gives us 150 psi max - the old Midi has a much greater knock out punch with the higher pressure.

    I got to test drive a Timberwolf and was totally impressed - very nice truck.

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    "high pressure 100 gpm at 600 psi pump".

    Can you say Bean? Old news comes around again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    PTO pump - stick with 1000gpm or less. 750gpm is better idea from maintenance standpoint.

    Where is the CAFS?

    CAFS is way expensive. The Timberwolf supposedly produces CAFS like foam for cheap. Don't know if it works. Plus it is above my pay grade.......I just volunteer here...
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    hotrodromeo: Do you have a cost estimate for this pumper and a narrative already worked out? I am just getting into the grants process for my volly station. I have only written one FP&S grant and some small local ones (im only 19). Any help would be appreciated. Webmaster@drakescrossingfire.c om.

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    There is a certain percentage of funding in the program that is earmarked for foam . I can't imagine building an interface truck without CAFS for structure protection. plus the advantage CAFS has over water in the woods /duff smothering process.
    Lose the q2b siren & other parade crap and spec a useful truck.

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    drakescrossing send me an email. I tried to send you what I have with the address you put but it didnt fly. my e-mail is ryan@aspenllc.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by drakescrossing View Post
    CAFS is way expensive. The Timberwolf supposedly produces CAFS like foam for cheap. Don't know if it works. Plus it is above my pay grade.......I just volunteer here...
    By putting an aspirating foam tube on the nozzle. Same as any foam system. Marketing BS. NOT CAFS.

    Can't even change the foam ratio on the "Fix Mix High Pressure Foam System"

    What is way expensive? The base Timberwolf (more marketing BS) has to be at least $200k.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNHWmN4RlzI

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    A statement like the "timberwolf can produce a cafs like foam without the expense of a CAFS unit" would be the first flag to me that I need to stop dealing with my buddy the "part time fire truck sales guy" and go with someone reputable.

    Above your pay grade? You are filling out the grant, you are the one asking for ideas about what you should include, you are the man! Do you realize how few people get to be in your shoes? I have been in the Fire Service since the late 70's - and till two years ago never been involved with purchasing a new fire engine. How did I get involved? I wrote the grant, did the specs, took the trips to the factory during construction, etc.

    Look into cafs. don't take a salespukes recomendations, find some people who are using it. At least in my book, once you go CAFS, you never go back.

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    Exclamation

    I personally am convinced of CAFS. The people above me don't want it because it will increase the cost of an already expensive pumper. In addition we have a low maintenance budget and they are worried about the cost of keeping it maintained. I am not sure if this sis still true of Newer CAFS systems.

    If anyone out there is just itching to share their narratives, especially the successful ones, please share them.

    What i am trying to do it get a reliable brush pumper and a second out engine for us. Currently we have just a commercial chassis engine and have to wait for 20 minutes for our 2 other auto aid engines. We cannot do ventilation with out the second set of ladders, and being so we will be less likely to try to make entry without that aid.

    We also only have two 4x4 pieces of apparatus--our f550 rescue and an extremely low geared tender. This tender (we call it a brush tender) takes almost 2 minutes to warm up enough to move an inch and getting it above mph can take about 1-3 minutes ON THE ROAD! yes, we are driving with lights on for 1-3 minutes before the engine manages to 'catch' and it powers up. The diesel mechanics cannot figure it out. The top speed it has ever achieved: 45mph downhill--and the steering wheel shakes almost uncontrollably.

    We want to reduce this brush tender to a second out tender status or as a tender for a second future station. This engine we are applying for would be the first out for this future station, and would be enrolled in the state conflagration system for wildland firefighting.

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    Yes, it will increase the price - but it also increases its capabilities. You are getting a grant - go for what will most enhance your capabilities ie, more bang for the buck.

    You are preaching to the choir on the budget. We have about 8 times your square miles, and just a couple hundred more population than your department, and a much smaller budget. We looked at CAFS, and decided the extra cost was well worth it.

    Maintenance is a snap with one of these new systems, and you also end up with a handy compressor on the engine so you can use the air for all sorts of other applications, tires, air tools, inflating rescue gear, etc.

    I have a tanker here that sounds a lot like yours - we just don't turn on the lights until we are at a speed that needs them, which means we don't turn them on until we are at the scene for safety purposes, or when backing.

    If you are going to replace that rig, or talk about it in the narrative - as an unsafe vehicle (and it certainly sounds like it is) then you are going to have to get rid of the vehicle, ensuring that it is out of the fire service completely.

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    What do you think FEMA will think of replacing a 1978 ford ranger grass unit with this. Would taking this unit out of service increase my chances?

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    If you can take it out of service before you replace it, do you need it?

    If you can't take it out of service, having to run this unsafe rig regardless,
    I feel like would enhance your application.

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    Bump. Still nobody with their own specs and/or pictures?

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