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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Stupid pics.
    All you have left is stupid pics hoping that people forget your crackpot claims.

    To paraphrase one of my favorite lines from the 2012 Presidential debates.

    "Please proceed moonbat."

    Meanwhile Obama just keeps winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Meanwhile Obama just keeps winning.
    Yet his approval ratings are at an all-time low?

    I believe that the election results from the 2012 reveal some interesting information, especially this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Yet his approval ratings are at an all-time low?

    I believe that the election results from the 2012 reveal some interesting information, especially this one.
    Since when have conservatives ever cared about approval ratings. When Bush's approval ratings started plummeting we were being told by conservatives that Bush was showing leadership by making the tough decisions. Now all of a sudden they claim ratings are indicative of something significant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Since when have conservatives ever cared about approval ratings.
    As a conservative-leaning moderate, I've always kept an eye on the approval ratings as one of the many ways to judge the POTUS success in office - no matter who holds the position.

    With somewhere between 34% and 40% (depending on the statistics you read) of registered voters identifying themselves as Democrats, and Obama's approval rating hovering around the 42% mark, it's clear that it's not just conservatives who don't shed favorable light on his presidency thus far.

    So, what's your take on the Obamacare fiasco? What this some kind of republican sabotage as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    As a conservative-leaning moderate, I've always kept an eye on the approval ratings as one of the many ways to judge the POTUS success in office - no matter who holds the position.
    I don't view approval ratings as a measure of success.

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    With somewhere between 34% and 40% (depending on the statistics you read) of registered voters identifying themselves as Democrats, and Obama's approval rating hovering around the 42% mark, it's clear that it's not just conservatives who don't shed favorable light on his presidency thus far.
    Once again this makes me chuckle. In the weeks and months leading up to the 2012 election conservatives were saying that polls were not to be believed since they were convinced Romney was going to win handily. Now polls are all of a sudden accurate. That being said, context is needed. Obama has approvals in the 30% - 45% range. Sounds bad. Until one looks at the approval for both congress, the GOP, and especially the Tea Party. All of whom have approvals at less than 20%. If you view approval ratings as a measure of success, then you would have to agree those groups are failing miserably.

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    So, what's your take on the Obamacare fiasco? What this some kind of republican sabotage as well?
    No. I laugh at the predictability of conservative amnesia. Medicare Part D had problems with its rollout. Not only was Bush’s rollout anything but smooth, but administration officials had some trouble getting the online tool up and running and had to delay its debut for weeks. Computer glitches caused low-income beneficiaries to go without needed medications and sent pharmacies the wrong drug information. Before it was all resolved, administration officials were appearing at hearings before congressional committees laying out the flaws in the law’s implementation and detailing how the administration would address them.

    If one's information was strictly from conservative news outlets, one would never know any of the aforementioned had happened when the president they supported enacted such an ambitious program. Historians will tell you the same things happened when FDR enacted Social Security and when LBJ enacted Medicare/Medicaid.

    Where conservatives really fail is they have yet to put forth a viable alternative that has been shown to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Meanwhile Obama just keeps winning.
    Like this?


    And if he's winning so much, then why did Dingy Harry Reid exercise the nuclear option on judicial confirmations. I remember the democrat's "sky if falling" rhetoric when it was mentioned (not exercised) under GWB.

    The list of Obama failures is long. He distances himself and blames others at every turn. It's what he's done his entire life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I don't view approval ratings as a measure of success.
    Your desire to continually use polls to substantiate your point contradicts that. For example:
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    Gallup will soon be releasing poll data that details just five states, collectively containing about 2 percent of the American population, have statistically significant pluralities of adults identifying themselves as Republicans.
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    Even the conservative polls are showing Biden as being considered more capable as either a VP or POTUS.
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    You are allowed to have your opinon. After all even the most liberal poll shows Palin with about a third of the folks believing she won. You must be one of those in the minority.
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    Isn't it interesting that Obama is very close in CO and FL. Two states Bush won handily in '04.

    Surprising one state that isn't mentioned is VA. Obama has managed a five point lead in what was a certain red state.

    The momentum has already shifted away from McCain since the Palin bounce. It's obvious.
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    The latest polls in the last year+ have all stated their desire we get out. As has the current Iraqi president.
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    Given that McCain is plummeting in the polls I would say nothing.
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    The McCain/Palin ticket is behind in every major poll including the ones considered conservative.
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    Dream on. There has no bounce for McCain since the start of the RNC.
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    I just know the Bush Administration suffered a huge setback because of its Katrina response to the point where the GOP lost control of Congress the following year and continues to be pummelled at the polls.

    Coincidence? You tell me.
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    Obama has definitely lost ground in the polls. (source: firehouse.com/forums/t110001/#post1087111)
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    You may want to read state polls since that is how we elect presidents.
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    After all, that's what Cheney did. And his approval ratings are right there with Congress.
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    The polls are absolutely correct.
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    Obama's approval ratings are about the same as Reagan's during the first year of his first term.
    Oh, and I just love this little nugget from December 20, 2009, before the jackass party got eviscerated in the elections.
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    I expect the Dems to lose seats. I'll be suprised if they lost majorities in either house.
    For someone who dismisses a poll, you sure do write about them a lot.
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    Where conservatives really fail is they have yet to put forth a viable alternative that has been shown to work.
    They're put forth continually, liberals choose to ignore them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Your desire to continually use polls to substantiate your point contradicts that. For example:Oh, and I just love this little nugget from December 20, 2009, before the jackass party got eviscerated in the elections. For someone who dismisses a poll, you sure do write about them a lot.They're put forth continually, liberals choose to ignore them.
    Hey moonbat. He's still president. Despite all the polls leading up to the 2012 elections that conservatives refused to believe. Despite all the beliefs to the contrary from conservatives (including you), remind us again of who won. Please put up more posts claiming he is ineligible to be president. I enjoyed those the most.

    BTW, I said viable alternatives that have been shown to work. I didn't say conservatives had not put up any alternatives. They just haven't been shown to work. Reading, it's FUNdamental.

    The irony is the model for Obamacare is an idea put forth by conservatives during the 90's. Then of course there is the irony that the 2012 GOP candidate for president enacted a version of Obamacare when he was governor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Please put up more posts claiming he is ineligible to be president. I enjoyed those the most.
    You've yet to link to one where I said he was ineligible because of his birth certificate. If there were so many, why are you having so much trouble finding them? This should be my 1,284th post, compared to your 9,732. Finding one shouldn't be that hard. Clearly they don't exist, or you're to incompetent to locate them.

    And nothing is as entertaining as your silly allegations about the cost of the Iraq War.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Three of those trillion dollar photos is the price of the Iraq War.

    Make sure you let us all know when this counter reaches $3,000,000,000,000.00.
    http://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/

    or better yet, tell us how you don't see approval ratings as a measure of success, yet you mention them to support your position no less than 14 times (firehouse.com/forums/t107299-2/#post1395277)

    And while you're at it, show us all where any Bush administration official said the Iraq War wouldn't cost a dime.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86
    You're so obsessed with the difference in the cost of the war when one of its selling points was that it wouldn't cost the taxpayers a dime. Oil revenues were going to pay for it.
    (source: firehouse.com/forums/t110407/#post1094060)
    Your math is no better than your history either, because we all remember that time you tried to say that Republicans had control on Congress in 1994. When the fact is that the 103rd Congress had Democrat majorities in both the Senate and HoR. It seems your revisionism form of history isn't limited to Reagan's governorship is it?
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    So it's Clinton's fault? And who was in charge of congress during those years?
    And last but not least, let's all be reminded on the multiple times you whined about no one ever reporting the Bush/Nazi comparisons.
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    You can claim you don't remember saying anything about Bush/Hitler/Nazi comparisons, but facts tell us otherwise.
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    BTW, I said viable alternatives that have been shown to work. I didn't say conservatives had not put up any alternatives. They just haven't been shown to work. Reading, it's FUNdamental.
    It's called a free market, and it works everywhere it's tried. It worked great before the government got involved. You just choose to ignore it. Everywhere the government sticks its heavy hand of regulation, it causes chaos. It continues to distort and harm individuals in the housing market, prescription drugs, our fiat currency, wages for low skilled workers, and healthcare.

    There is a reason healthcare prices continue to rise faster than other things like clothes, food, beverages, automobiles, hand tools, power tools, sunglasses, shoes, plumbing supplies, etc. Relatively free markets.
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    The irony is the model for Obamacare is an idea put forth by conservatives during the 90's.
    Please do show us all who these conservatives are, and what are the details of their plans.
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    Then of course there is the irony that the 2012 GOP candidate for president enacted a version of Obamacare when he was governor.
    And Gov Romney vetoed 8 sections of the bill, and the legislature later overrode him on all 8 sections. You see, Romney governing Massachusetts, was like Reagan governing the People's Replublik of Kalifornistan. A Republican governor trying to get things done with a liberal legislature capable of overriding almost every veto he issues.

    And Romneycare is failing, just like Obamacare will. RomneyCare was costing more than it was billed as, didn't lower healthcare costs like it claimed it would, and doesn't provide universal coverage like it was advertised to do. Both plans are "managed competition," which leaves insurance privately owned but forces it to operate in an artificial and highly regulated marketplace similar to a public utility.

    I'm astounded that liberals believe that we cannot afford to pay for health insurance and doctors, but we can afford to pay for health insurance, doctors, and government bureaucracy to administer it.

    I just love it when liberals like scfire86 jump in the the repugnant conga line of ideological freaks and overpaid Affirmative Action morons who comprise Democrat Party and speak their mind, spreading around weapons grade stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    ....Reagan governing the People's Replublik of Kalifornistan. A Republican governor trying to get things done with a liberal legislature capable of overriding almost every veto he issues.
    Dems didn't have the votes to override Reagan's vetoes when he was governor or president. Unless you believe Reagan was Governor in the late 1800's. That was the last time Dems had supermajorities in both houses of the legislature. The votes were certainly not present to override his vetoes in the Senate during the first six years of his presidency since the GOP enjoyed a majority (in that chamber) during that time. Had your scenario been the case, there would have been no downside to him vetoing those spending bills that raised taxes.

    I never said his actions (raising taxes, loosening immigration and abortion laws, expanding government et al) weren't necessary or bad. I stated those actions as governor and president would cause him to get kicked out of today's GOP.

    Reading....it's FUNdamental. I'm not surprised you didn't understand (or more likely missed) the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    You've yet to link to one where I said he was ineligible because of his birth certificate.
    Hey moonbat. I already posted a link of you stating he wasn't constitutionally eligible to be president. Be a good conservative and own up to your remarks.

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    I don't have a PhD in math, but I know that counter hasn't reached $3,000,000,000,000.00 yet. But we do love it when you perform your contortionist routine trying to prove that it's true.
    We're accutely aware of your academic creds. I posted a link on another thread substantiating how the Iraq war costs will be around $3T. The counter only shows direct costs of the war. There's more to a war. Since Bush borrowed the money to fight both of them (fiscally irresponsible), the interest on those borrowed funds probably isn't included in your cute little counter. Someone with a PhD would know that. So you shouldn't have admitted what we already know. It makes you look ignorant of the topic....as usual. Costs go on and on long after (almost a century) the last shot is fired for a given conflict. A smart person would also know that. So that pretty much excludes you.

    But here's a link to help you better understand how those estimates are derived.

    In case that one doesn't work, here's another.

    Happy New Year moonbat. I'll toast to you with a very nice libation in your honor. Probably purchased with my wife's earnings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Dems didn't have the votes to override Reagan's vetoes when he was governor or president.
    I didn't say Democrats had a supermajority, I said a liberal legislature capable of overriding. Republicans can be liberal too. In Reagan's gubernatorial term, the spenders outnumbered the non-spenders. For someone who puts so much emphasis on FUNdamental reading, you don't do much of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I never said his actions (raising taxes, loosening immigration and abortion laws, expanding government et al) weren't necessary or bad. I stated those actions as governor and president would cause him to get kicked out of today's GOP.

    Reagan signed the amnesty on immigration with the expectation that it would be a one shot solution. In order for this to happen, we'd have to get tough on illegal immigration by
    • government making a concerted effort to control the borders.
    • effective employer verification program to ensure only legal workers were hired.

    But liberal Senators like Ted Kennedy tried to water it down the enforcement provisions by amending it, even years after it passed. The reason the GOP doesn't support repeating the mistakes of the of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act is that we learned our lesson. The promise of "Legalize now, enforce later," didn't work then, and wouldn't work today.

    Guys don't be fooled by the smoke and mirrors the democrats use to advance immigration reform. It isn't about people or families, it's the largest voter drive in history.

    Reagan was once a democrat. But in 1962 he wised up and switched to the GOP. "I didn't leave the Democratic Party," he famously said. "The party left me." But liars who distort history to advance their political agenda want you to ignore such facts.

    And remember that day in 1981 when Reagan fired 11,345 striking air traffic controllers, that's the Reagan sane people remember.
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    Hey moonbat.
    Moonbat describes a liberal, so says Wikipedia, Wiktionary, urban dictionary, USLegal.com and a Google Image Search of the term gives countless pics of Øbama and other leftists, showing it's prolific association with the left wing.

    Proving that in addition to rewriting history, scfire86 will attempt to rewrite terminology to advance his leftist authoritarian collectivism agenda.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I already posted a link of you stating he wasn't constitutionally eligible to be president. Be a good conservative and own up to your remarks.
    No, you accused me of saying he was ineligible because of his birth certificate. Here it is in case you forgot:
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    How about telling us again about how he is ineligible to be president because of his birth certificate.
    The very least you could do is read your own posts. Now show everyone were I said that Barry was ineligible because of his birth certificate. Or is substantiating your own lies something that's beyond you?
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    We're accutely aware of your academic creds or lack thereof.
    Oh the irony. When a liberal blowhard tries to belittle my intelligence with misspelled words. The correct spelling is "acutely." Maybe you'd like to edit it out and pretend it never happened, like you do with other instances of history.
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    I posted a link on another thread substantiating how the Iraq war costs will be around $3T.
    According to the Three Stooges. Anyone can make an estimate. Costs are what you can show on a balance sheet. Your form of accounting would get any CPA's credentials flushed down the toilet for not following GAAP.

    Still waiting to see $3,000,000,000,000.00
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The counter only shows direct costs of the war. There's more to a war.
    Try running that fantasy unicorn crap with the IRS and see how far it goes. Oh I almost forgot, the IRS is too busy targeting conservatives, so liberals like you don't have anything to worry about.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Since Bush borrowed the money to fight both of them (fiscally irresponsible), the interest on those borrowed funds probably isn't included in your cute little counter.
    What does that say about the reckless spending by Barry Soetoro?

    Submitting budgets with massive deficits and then pushing legislation that reduces revenue streams is part and parcel with President Downgrade's economic policy. It's lunacy to believe those policies aren't responsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Reagan signed the amnesty on immigration with the expectation that it would be a one shot solution.
    Regardless, actions like those would have gotten him kicked out of today's GOP.

    Out of curiousity, which GOP state legislators would have been willing to override his vetoes when he was Governor?


    And remember that day in 1981 when Reagan fired 11,345 striking air traffic controllers, that's the Reagan sane people remember.[/QUOTE]
    Today's GOP wouldn't have allowed him to run for president because he had a record of raising taxes and loosening abortion laws as Governor.


    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Still waiting to see $3,000,000,000,000.00
    Put forth two links that describe how the $3T+ figure is derived. Feel free to read any of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Meanwhile Obama just keeps winning.
    Get shovel. Even "thrill up my leg" Chris Matthews thinks President Downgrade had a crappy year. But scfire86 want's everyone to think he's winning. It's absurd. But then, very little of the democrat platform isn't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Get shovel. Even "thrill up my leg" Chris Matthews thinks President Downgrade had a crappy year. But scfire86 want's everyone to think he's winning. It's absurd. But then, very little of the democrat platform isn't.
    Since when have you cared about what Chris Matthews thinks?

    He's still president. An office you claimed he was ineligible to hold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Regardless, actions like those would have gotten him kicked out of today's GOP.
    If one is to accept that your ridiculous premise is true, then must also accept that JFK would be kicked out of today's Democrat party, for wanting to lower taxes to balance the Federal budget, and for being anti-abortion.
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    Out of curiousity, which GOP state legislators would have been willing to override his vetoes when he was Governor?
    Which ones would refuse? And it's spelled CURIOSITY. Care to make some condescending remarks about my academic credentials?
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    Today's GOP wouldn't have allowed him to run for president because he had a record of raising taxes and loosening abortion laws as Governor.
    Says the person who thinks the 103rd Congress was run by Republicans. Says the person who thinks that trying to avert being killed by murder is insane, but claims to have spent his career trying to prevent a statistically less likely event. Says the person who marries into money, and then purports to be a capitalist virtuoso.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Put forth two links that describe how the $3T+ figure is derived. Feel free to read any of them.
    Links that are no more accurate than your knowledge of definitions, fiscal years, political history, or your spelling.

    The entire piece was based on the writer's opinions of "opportunity costs." Based on opportunity costs, not playing the lottery cost me $500 million, because I missed the opportunity to win it.

    The fact that you think this is a legitimate form of accounting for costs tells us all just how deranged your mind really is.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Since when have you cared about what Chris Matthews thinks?
    I don't, but he's a delirious Øbama fanboi, just like you. And if thinks Øbama had a crappy year, then only the most ideologically blind Marxists could possible conceive that Øbama had a good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    If one is to accept that your ridiculous premise is true, then must also accept that JFK would be kicked out of today's Democrat party, for wanting to lower taxes to balance the Federal budget, and for being anti-abortion.
    JFK lowered taxes to about double the current rate. By all means let's use him as an example.

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    Which ones would refuse?
    You brought it up. You tell us.

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    Says the person who marries into money, and then purports to be a capitalist virtuoso.Links that are no more accurate than your knowledge of definitions, fiscal years, political history, or your spelling.
    Ha ha ha. Sorry moonbat. My wife literally had a job where she asked people if they wanted fries with their order. I supported the family as she went to school. We started amassing our portfolio after we were married. There is a reason envy is a deadly sin. Sorry if marrying the lead checker at the Piggly Wiggly didn't work out for you. That is assuming you're married.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    The entire piece was based on the writer's opinions of "opportunity costs." Based on opportunity costs, not playing the lottery cost me $500 million, because I missed the opportunity to win it.
    Bad analogy. The costs you cite are already spent. Costs of the war will continue long after the conflict is deemed to be over. That was the point of the links I posted.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    The fact that you think this is a legitimate form of accounting for costs tells us all just how deranged your mind really is.
    Which only shows how little you understand about the costs of fighting wars.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    I don't, but he's a delirious Øbama fanboi, just like you. And if thinks Øbama had a crappy year, then only the most ideologically blind Marxists could possible conceive that Øbama had a good one.
    Obviously you do care since you cited him to prove your point.

    You should have read some of the things he wrote about Bush during that disastrous administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    JFK lowered taxes to about double the current rate. By all means let's use him as an example.
    JFK didn't lower taxes, LBJ did. Again you show how little you know about history.
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    You brought it up. You tell us.
    The ones that wouldn't support the necessary budget cuts to balance the budget deficit left for Reagan by Governor Moonbeam's father.
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    Ha ha ha. Sorry moonbat.
    Again, that word does not mean what you think it means.
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    My wife literally had a job where she asked people if they wanted fries with their order. I supported the family as she went to school. We started amassing our portfolio after we were married. There is a reason envy is a deadly sin.
    Not surprising, the missed the point. Her salary in no way supports that idea that you possess any exceptional knowledge, skills, or abilities. But your incessant pattern of bragging about it does prove just how much of a narcissist you are. That's one more thing you have in common with Barry Soetoro. Pretending to be something you're not.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Sorry if marrying the lead checker at the Piggly Wiggly didn't work out for you. That is assuming you're married.
    Describing you as sorry is a compliment.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The costs you cite are already spent. Costs of the war will continue long after the conflict is deemed to be over. That was the point of the links I posted.
    You posted a link to imaginary costs and inflated estimates. Which is total BS.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Which only shows how little you understand about the costs of fighting wars.
    Again, you belittling me about knowledge of anything except the trendiest places to have your personal assistance get you a cappuccino is quite silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Obviously you do care since you cited him to prove your point.
    When Obama's most prolific cheerleader says he's a loser, then he's a loser. Even Barbara Walters is singing that tune. I think I hear a fat lady warming up.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You should have read some of the things he wrote about Bush during that disastrous administration.
    If you consider 2001-2009 disastrous, then 2009-2017 is genocide.

    The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. --Norman Mattoon Thomas, 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    JFK didn't lower taxes, LBJ did. Again you show how little you know about history.
    There you go. LBJ lowered them to about double the current rate and then proceeded to pass an excise tax to help pay for the Vietnam War. The fiscally responsible thing to do. As opposed to Bush who went to war and then lowered taxes, and borrowed the money. In my defense it is well documented that JFK advocated lowering them to that level. Congress passed those changes shortly after he was assassinated.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    The ones that wouldn't support the necessary budget cuts to balance the budget deficit left for Reagan by Governor Moonbeam's father.
    So you have no idea. Bottom line. Thanks for admitting that Reagan raised taxes as Governor. That was the point. Reagan tax increases were indeed necessary. I've never disputed that claim.
    Those actions would have gotten Reagan kicked out of today's GOP. The group that pushes that narrative doesn't allow for exceptions. Grover Norquist (the originator of the No Tax Pledge) has stated that taxes should never be raised regardless of the circumstances.

    Tell you what Moonbat. If you can show me a GOP candidate that had a history of raising taxes, loosening abortion laws, and advocating for loosening immigration that was supported for higher office. I'll concede that you're correct Reagan would indeed be supported by today's GOP. Especially the Tea Bag wing of the party.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Again, that word does not mean what you think it means.
    Keep telling yourself that.

    Moonbat:

    Moonbat (1) (n) Irrational and Mentally unstable persons of a decidedly liberal political affiliation;
    (2) (n) Someone on the extreme edge of whatever their -ism happens to be.

    Definition #2 describes you perfectly.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Not surprising, the missed the point. Her salary in no way supports that idea that you possess any exceptional knowledge, skills, or abilities. But your incessant pattern of bragging about it does prove just how much of a narcissist you are.
    You're the one that keeps bringing her up. I never said her salary supports any idea that I have exceptional knowledge or skills. You did.

    I have no problem bragging about my wife. My marriage is a team effort. Its worked out well. Sorry to hear that yours hasn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    That's one more thing you have in common with Barry Soetoro. Pretending to be something you're not.
    He's president. What is he pretending to be that he is not?

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    You posted a link to imaginary costs and inflated estimates. Which is total BS.
    What parts are inflated? The part about the ongoing expenses for veterans after the war? What is your source for those future costs? Regardless of the amount, those costs will be borne by future taxpayers for a conflict that was unnecessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    When Obama's most prolific cheerleader says he's a loser, then he's a loser. Even Barbara Walters is singing that tune. I think I hear a fat lady warming up. If you consider 2001-2009 disastrous, then 2009-2017 is genocide.
    Yeah. Keep thinking that Matthews and Walters are great prognosticators. Let us know how it works out. Obama will be president till Jan. 2017. Since you like Obama so much, you're going to love Hillary.....for eight years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    As opposed to Bush who went to war and then lowered taxes, and borrowed the money.
    Oh the irony... of a delirious Øbama fanbio' whining about Bush's deficit spending. The English language lacks words to describe how precious, yet hypocritical, it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    In my defense it is well documented that JFK advocated lowering them to that level.
    THE LEVEL, is not the point. You didn't characterize Reagan's gubernatorial increases based on rates. You based your "kicked out of the GOP" lie on the fact the he INCREASED rates. And when presented with a similar example that shoes the utter silliness of your logic, you attempt to switch measuring sticks and base it on rates, rather than simple increases and decreases. You can't have it both ways.

    This is nothing new for you. When your partisan lies are exposed for their senselessness and lack of logic, you attempt to move the goal line so you won't lose face.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    JFK lowered taxes to about double the current rate. By all means let's use him as an example.
    If you mean to imply that I'm advocating JFK's rates, which I did not, then that means that you were advocating RWR's gubernatorial rates, where the top income rate reached 11%. It's nice to see that you're finally seeing the light, and we all appreciate your endorsement of a top income tax rate of 11%.

    Saying Ronald Reagan raised taxes is like saying Michael Jordan was a guy who struck out a lot. It’s factually correct, but misleading.

    As President, Reagan indexed the tax code to account for inflation. Because that hadn't been done for so long, a larger share of Americans had reached the upper tax levels. By re-indexing them, many people fell into a bracket of a lower rate.

    In 1982 Reagan raises taxes when he was promised spending cuts in exchange. So just accusing him of raising taxes without mentioning the undelivered promise of spending cuts, is again misleading. Facts matter, but everyone knows that won't stop you from using half-truths to smear his political resume.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Congress passed those changes shortly after he was assassinated.
    If JFK were around today, they would denounce him as a right-wing extremist and revoke his membership card. Take this quote for example:
    It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now … Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.
    And this statement isn't anecdotal, he made plenty more like it. It proves that JFK was a supply-sider. Something President Downgrade, and 99% of registered democrats, know nothing about.

    And the biggest reason that JFK would get kicked out of today's communist, I mean democrat party....
    JFK HATED COMMUNISM

    June 26, 1963 in Berlin, West Germany, Kennedy said:
    There are many people in the world who really don't understand, or say they don't, what is the great issue between the free world and the Communist world.

    Let them come to Berlin.

    There are some who say that communism is the wave of the future.

    Let them come to Berlin.

    And there are some who say, in Europe and elsewhere, we can work with the Communists.

    Let them come to Berlin.

    And there are even a few who say that it is true that communism is an evil system, but it permits us to make economic progress.

    Lass' sie nach Berlin kommen.

    Let them come to Berlin.
    Kennedy was an anti-communist who believed in a muscular foreign policy. He was willing to go to the brink of nuclear war to prevent the Soviet Union from placing nuclear weapons in Cuba. His aggressive stand against communism is likely why the communist Lee Harvey Oswald killed him.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So you have no idea. Bottom line.
    I most certainly do. It's the ones who who can vote. Only a partisan hack who lies to advance his false narrative would be so obtuse to believe that legislative voting always follows party lines.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Thanks for admitting that Reagan raised taxes as Governor. That was the point.
    I never disputed that actual rates increased. It's a matter of fact, not opinion. But as I stated earlier, all tax increases are not created equal.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Reagan tax increases were indeed necessary. I've never disputed that claim.
    But you use it to pretend that Reagan is something he wasn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Those actions would have gotten Reagan kicked out of today's GOP.
    In your dreams.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The group that pushes that narrative doesn't allow for exceptions. Grover Norquist (the originator of the No Tax Pledge) has stated that taxes should never be raised regardless of the circumstances.
    Grover Norquist heads Americans for Tax Reform, not the GOP. But don't let facts stop you from telling people that he works for the GOP. Oh, and Norquist is a HUGE open borders advocate, and he's married to a Palestinian Muslim. And if we follow your patten of lies and mischaracterization, his open borders policy would get him kicked out of the GOP. So which is it? Is Norquist in the GOP because of his tax idea, or out of the GOP because of his immigration ideas? You can't have it both ways.

    Norquist's marriage and borders policy alone would grant him Grand Puba status with the democrats.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Tell you what Moonbat.
    It's still unclear why you continue to call me a liberal. But the pattern is clear of liberals hijacking words and using double speak to advance their agenda.

    In 1934 Fred Astaire starred in a movie titled the The Gay Divorcee. Originally, gay meant happy and exuberant. But the militant homosexuals hijacked the work to describe themselves, and 80 years later a movie with the same title would have a much difference meaning.

    Same thing was done with the word liberal. It used to mean one who places primary emphasis on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. But the left-wingers hijacked that word to describe themselves. Now today liberal has a totally different meaning than it did in the past.

    Your manipulation of the word moonbat is no different.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    If you can show me a GOP candidate that had a history of raising taxes, loosening abortion laws, and advocating for loosening immigration that was supported for higher office. I'll concede that you're correct Reagan would indeed be supported by today's GOP. Especially the Tea Bag wing of the party.
    Olympia Snowe
    • Voted NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 2003)
    • Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
    • Voted NO on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
    • Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
    • Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
    • Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
    • Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship.
    • Rated 25% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Keep telling yourself that.

    Moonbat:

    Moonbat (1) (n) Irrational and Mentally unstable persons of a decidedly liberal political affiliation;
    (2) (n) Someone on the extreme edge of whatever their -ism happens to be.

    Definition #2 describes you perfectly.
    The other 6 definitions on the link you provide describe you. The other 6 (SIX) definitions define the term as a leftist. Reading, it's FUNdamental.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You're the one that keeps bringing her up.
    I don't bring her up specifically, only the fact that you're riding her coattails.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I never said her salary supports any idea that I have exceptional knowledge or skills. You did.
    And that, is a blatant lie. You've bragged endlessly about your possessions, and you bloviate about how much better off you are than everyone else. The implication is crystal clear.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I have no problem bragging about my wife. My marriage is a team effort. Its worked out well. Sorry to hear that yours hasn't.
    You have no problem bragging about your possessions that your wife allows you to purchase. The record is clear on that. And you know nothing about my marital status, you can only speculate, and attempt to make incorrect assumptions about it. But thanx for showing us all how desperate you are to spread lies about me.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    He's president. What is he pretending to be that he is not?
    He's a Marxist, pure and simple, masquerading as a promoter of freedom and liberty.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Regardless of the amount, those costs will be borne by future taxpayers for a conflict that was unnecessary.
    No matter, that number isn't going to reach $3,000,000,000,000.00.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Yeah. Keep thinking that Matthews and Walters are great prognosticators.
    They're great to most liberals. That's why they hold the high profile positions they do.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Let us know how it works out.
    MSNBC ratings tell you all you need to know, meanwhile, Fox News has more people watching at 3 AM than MSNBC has in prime time.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Obama will be president till Jan. 2017. Since you like Obama so much, you're going to love Hillary.....for eight years.
    Funny how liberals are ohhing and ahhhing over the idea of a woman president. In 2008 they hated the idea of a female VP, and threw everything butt the kitchen sink at her.

    When the group policy mandates from Obamacare hit in late 2014, the tsunami of rate hikes and cancellations will create a lot of backlash. Obama knows it, which is why he's postponed the mandates until after the 2014 elections. Clinton will have to overcome that, or separate herself from it. But she's got two good teachers on how to dodge responsibility, Obama and Bill are two of the best.
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