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    Default Do you live in an oppressed state or a free state?

    An article recently ran in a local newspaper ranking which people have the most freedom. New Hampshire ranks as the state with the most freedom. NY is on the bottom. Interesting would be to see how the Blue states and red states line up. I do notice that the ones at the bottom seem to be more blue than red.

    Freedom in the 50 States

    Table V: Overall Freedom Ranking
    State Overall Freedom

    1. New Hampshire 0.432
    2. Colorado 0.421
    3. South Dakota 0.392
    4. Idaho 0.356
    5. Texas 0.346
    6. Missouri 0.320
    7. Tennessee 0.284
    8. Arizona 0.279
    9. Virginia 0.275
    10. North Dakota 0.268
    11. Utah 0.250
    12. Kansas 0.210
    13. Indiana 0.208
    14. Michigan 0.206
    15. Wyoming 0.193
    16. Iowa 0.183
    17. Georgia 0.146
    18. Oklahoma 0.143
    19. Montana 0.125
    20. Pennsylvania 0.102
    21. Alabama 0.092
    22. Florida 0.068
    23. North Carolina 0.019
    24. Nevada 0.013
    25. Mississippi -0.004
    26. Delaware -0.008
    27. Oregon -0.009
    28. Nebraska -0.018
    29. Arkansas -0.023
    30. South Carolina -0.040
    31. Alaska -0.071
    32. Kentucky -0.082
    33. West Virginia -0.097
    34. Louisiana -0.110
    35. Minnesota -0.111
    36. New Mexico -0.150
    37. Wisconsin -0.199
    38. Ohio -0.205
    39. Maine -0.214
    40. Vermont -0.217
    41. Connecticut -0.225
    42. Illinois -0.238
    43. Massachusetts -0.242
    44. Washington -0.275
    45. Hawaii -0.304
    46. Maryland -0.405
    47. California -0.413
    48. Rhode Island -0.430
    49. New Jersey -0.457
    50. New York -0.784


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    My gut is wrenched seeing that Texas is 5th!!!!!!!!!!!!

    then I realized that the fear that Walker, Texas Ranger creates is likely the reason people would feel repressed there.
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    New Hampshire a "free" state?

    HA!

    My sister lives in a small town north of Keene. Her real estate taxes are much higher than mine, and she is living in an old home built in 1865.

    Her small town has no police department (they are patrolled by the New Hampshire State Police) a small volunteer FD, their highway department is a small operation and she pays $365 for her transfer station sticker and pays per bag for trash disposal, mandatory recycling and they have to separate everything.

    Their school is grade 1 to 8, the high school is in Keene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    An article recently ran in a local newspaper ranking which people have the most freedom. New Hampshire ranks as the state with the most freedom. NY is on the bottom. Interesting would be to see how the Blue states and red states line up. I do notice that the ones at the bottom seem to be more blue than red.

    Freedom in the 50 States

    Table V: Overall Freedom Ranking
    State Overall Freedom

    1. New Hampshire 0.432
    2. Colorado 0.421
    3. South Dakota 0.392
    4. Idaho 0.356
    5. Texas 0.346
    6. Missouri 0.320
    7. Tennessee 0.284
    8. Arizona 0.279
    9. Virginia 0.275
    10. North Dakota 0.268
    11. Utah 0.250
    12. Kansas 0.210
    13. Indiana 0.208
    14. Michigan 0.206
    15. Wyoming 0.193
    16. Iowa 0.183
    17. Georgia 0.146
    18. Oklahoma 0.143
    19. Montana 0.125
    20. Pennsylvania 0.102
    21. Alabama 0.092
    22. Florida 0.068
    23. North Carolina 0.019
    24. Nevada 0.013
    25. Mississippi -0.004
    26. Delaware -0.008
    27. Oregon -0.009
    28. Nebraska -0.018
    29. Arkansas -0.023
    30. South Carolina -0.040
    31. Alaska -0.071
    32. Kentucky -0.082
    33. West Virginia -0.097
    34. Louisiana -0.110
    35. Minnesota -0.111
    36. New Mexico -0.150
    37. Wisconsin -0.199
    38. Ohio -0.205
    39. Maine -0.214
    40. Vermont -0.217
    41. Connecticut -0.225
    42. Illinois -0.238
    43. Massachusetts -0.242
    44. Washington -0.275
    45. Hawaii -0.304
    46. Maryland -0.405
    47. California -0.413
    48. Rhode Island -0.430
    49. New Jersey -0.457
    50. New York -0.784
    Crow, Dr. Jason Sorens, in my opinion is a secessionist who believes deeply in the balkanization of America. Dr. William P. Ruger is a virtual unknown, who is currently serving in the military and as such, on leave from his career job as an Assistant Professor at a university.

    It's really too bad its not a neutral report as it is rather extensive, but its extremely biased-hard right leaning-and as such I doubt the veracity of the report. I plan on investigating further to see where the funding came for this project. It wouldn't surprise me if much of the funding came from the NRA, Heritage Foundation and John Birch Society, but that remains to be seen.

    As far as the so-called "freedoms" in the report; it focuses mainly on gun control/ownership; home schooling, eminent domain and taxes. There is virtually nothing in the report that addresses any of the freedom's expressed in the US Constitution other then the right to bear arms, eminent domain and taxation.

    So the report is not what it seems at first look, rather its a written screed of complaints on very narrow subjects that are primarily of concern to conservatives.

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    I was hoping someone would come up with an opposing view to the report. It is a published by George Mason University so I would believe there some sort of peer review that went on. They also site references at the bottom of the pages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    New Hampshire a "free" state?

    HA!

    My sister lives in a small town north of Keene. Her real estate taxes are much higher than mine, and she is living in an old home built in 1865.

    Her small town has no police department (they are patrolled by the New Hampshire State Police) a small volunteer FD, their highway department is a small operation and she pays $365 for her transfer station sticker and pays per bag for trash disposal, mandatory recycling and they have to separate everything.

    Their school is grade 1 to 8, the high school is in Keene.
    You are only looking at a small piece of the picture. An old home can still be valued at a million dollars or more, hence the high taxes. I also believe that New Hampshire has no income tax. Our trash pick up is the same way. Except ours is included n the taxes and is done by the highway department. recyclables have to be separated. That is life in rural America, which unfortunately has to live by some oft the laws created to address problmes in the big overcrowded cities.

    I would expect SC and the liberals to look at tiny details and not the entire picture, I expect more from you as you are far more credible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    New Hampshire a "free" state?

    HA!

    My sister lives in a small town north of Keene. Her real estate taxes are much higher than mine, and she is living in an old home built in 1865.

    Her small town has no police department (they are patrolled by the New Hampshire State Police) a small volunteer FD, their highway department is a small operation and she pays $365 for her transfer station sticker and pays per bag for trash disposal, mandatory recycling and they have to separate everything.

    Their school is grade 1 to 8, the high school is in Keene.
    How are the examples you cite indicative of a lack of freedom?

    New Hampshire has the lowest overall tax burden in the lower 48. That is a fact. Whether taxes take the form of taxes on income, consumer sales, or property value is actually not especially relevent. We pay lower taxes here, period.

    Therefore, there are fewer government services provided. But I'd love to know how government services equal freedom.

    As a general rule, I approve of user fees rather than general taxation. If person A is careful to purchase goods with less packaging, consumes less, and therefore creates less trash, why should he pay as much as someone who creates more trash? So I don't have an issue with the pay-to-throw or sticker fee. Although my sticker fee is $10, so her transfer station doesn't sound to me like it is a very tightly-run operation.

    New Hampshire has robust protections for civil liberties. It has a meaningful tradition of direct democracy. It has a post-Kelo ban on eminent domain except for actual public purposes. It has a low tax burden, laws that respect the Second Amendment, a business climate that is open to new enterprises, and a lot of ornery people trying to make sure things stay free.

    I think our ranking is about right.

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    Be careful.. Scarecrow just might move the New Hampshire!
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    Calling any state (or jurisdiction, governing body, etc.) "oppressed" is hilariously subjective, and is only relevant in the one topic you're discussing.

    A Vermonter would probably find New York's handgun laws oppressive. I don't own or desire to own a handgun, so it matters none to me. This example can be changed to anything from motorcycle helmets to corporate charters.

    The GMU chart ranking states uses such a limited set of criteria it's absolutely worthless.

    And while we're on the subject, have you ever noticed how conservatives and libertarians champion state's rights only when it benefits their cause?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Be careful.. Scarecrow just might move the New Hampshire!
    A fair point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionGoose View Post

    And while we're on the subject, have you ever noticed how conservatives and libertarians champion state's rights only when it benefits their cause?
    No. Elaborate.

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    I live in a free state and a free country. I have the ability to influence government at the ballot box every two years.

    I also have the ability to emigrate to a country I believe has a better quality of life and lower taxes if they'll take me.

    Sorry to hear some of you live in oppressed state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I live in a free state and a free country. I have the ability to influence government at the ballot box every two years.

    I also have the ability to emigrate to a country I believe has a better quality of life and lower taxes if they'll take me.

    Sorry to hear some of you live in oppressed state.
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    Communists, of course, will cooperate with all progressives, including those who consider themselves socialists without sharing political-economic understanding. In working for the extension of human rights under conditions of capitalism as outlined above, we are contributing to the development of the class consciousness and empowerment of the working class, so that with its allies, it can become a political force capable of ascending to state power.

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    My dentist pointed something out to me yesterday as well. We now live in a monarchy. King Obama asks, Queen Pelosi delivers, and there is no debate, no checks and balances, nothing. Given the *** kicking the Dems are taking in the 20th congressional district (one that Gillbrand won by 62%), it is safe to say will have all kinds of garbage shoved down our throats in the next two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Not when King Obama gets through with you.
    Is a Political-Economic Distinction Between Socialism and Communism Necessary?




    My dentist pointed something out to me yesterday as well. We now live in a monarchy. King Obama asks, Queen Pelosi delivers, and there is no debate, no checks and balances, nothing. Given the *** kicking the Dems are taking in the 20th congressional district (one that Gillbrand won by 62%), it is safe to say will have all kinds of garbage shoved down our throats in the next two years.
    I see the NY-20 race differently. The GOP hold a HUGE advantage in voter registration. A vitual unknown is doing well just in sending this one into overtime.

    You and your dentist have the freedom to leave any time they like. There is nothing holding you as subjects to King Obama and Queen Pelosi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    My dentist pointed something out to me yesterday as well. We now live in a monarchy. King Obama asks, Queen Pelosi delivers, and there is no debate, no checks and balances, nothing.
    You're right, nothing like this has ever happened before!

    Oh wait... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108th_U...tates_Congress

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Not when King Obama gets through with you.
    Is a Political-Economic Distinction Between Socialism and Communism Necessary?




    My dentist pointed something out to me yesterday as well. We now live in a monarchy. King Obama asks, Queen Pelosi delivers, and there is no debate, no checks and balances, nothing. Given the *** kicking the Dems are taking in the 20th congressional district (one that Gillbrand won by 62%), it is safe to say will have all kinds of garbage shoved down our throats in the next two years.

    Crow; I think your dentist ought to stick to repairing teeth and not serving as a court jester. He's sadly misinformed.
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    Shoot, if "oppression" means I get to go fishing for salmon, hunting for deer, swimming in the ocean, hiking up peaks 10,000 feet high, riding snowmobiles in the winter, throwing a little bonfire on the beach, going out to watch a band in the evening, riding my bike through the Sierra front country. I mean, shoot, if that's "oppression", count me in.

    I've been to Idaho before. Boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell35 View Post
    Crow; I think your dentist ought to stick to repairing teeth and not serving as a court jester. He's sadly misinformed.
    I know you have trouble with educated people. But let me relay something else. He went to the University of Buffalo and has a good friend from Toronto. He said to Pete one day, Pete, are you really going back to Canada to practice when you are done? Pete replied of course he was. He then said to Pete, Why, In our country a person comes in for a root canal and you charge $500. In your country they come in, give the card and you get $250. Pete told him he was looking at it all wrong. Patient comes in with the card and needs a root canal. Itís April, so you give him the drugs and tell them you have an opening in September. If they ask what if I pay cash, you get them in next week. And this is the truth and fact. So if you want socialized medicine might I recommend you move were they already have it, and let the rest of us keep our preferred and superior system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SavingHawaii View Post
    Shoot, if "oppression" means I get to go fishing for salmon, hunting for deer, swimming in the ocean, hiking up peaks 10,000 feet high, riding snowmobiles in the winter, throwing a little bonfire on the beach, going out to watch a band in the evening, riding my bike through the Sierra front country. I mean, shoot, if that's "oppression", count me in.

    I've been to Idaho before. Boring.
    Shoot, if "oppression" means

    I get to go fishing for salmon - At a cost of $20 (soon to go up), between April and October, and I can only keep a a couple of them, and at times it is catch and release.

    hunting for deer - Cost is $20, only for a month or so, and I can only take certain ones

    swimming in the ocean - There are no oceans in most of the states, however if you can get to the beach you can swim in the lakes, although it will cost you on a per person basis.

    hiking up peaks 10,000 feet high - But stay on the trail and don't pick the flowers!
    riding snowmobiles in the winter - Limited to a couple hundred a day in Yellowstone. Annual cost for the privilege $100, and oh by the way, many of the trails get closed or cut off. Trail maintenance is done by private clubs. The state takes away and give nothing!

    throwing a little bonfire on the beach - Assuming you have beach rights

    going out to watch a band in the evening- ????? Are you F**** Crazy. This is part of your freedom. Even the communist have bands!!!!

    riding my bike through the Sierra front country - But don't go to the back country and stay on the trail. Oh yea, no motors on those bikes either

    How about this, around here we need to have 8 acres of land to build a home, and by the way, you can't cut down the trees and don't harm the wetlands.

    That isn't freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I know you have trouble with educated people. But let me relay something else. He went to the University of Buffalo and has a good friend from Toronto. He said to Pete one day, Pete, are you really going back to Canada to practice when you are done? Pete replied of course he was. He then said to Pete, Why, In our country a person comes in for a root canal and you charge $500. In your country they come in, give the card and you get $250. Pete told him he was looking at it all wrong. Patient comes in with the card and needs a root canal. Itís April, so you give him the drugs and tell them you have an opening in September. If they ask what if I pay cash, you get them in next week. And this is the truth and fact. So if you want socialized medicine might I recommend you move were they already have it, and let the rest of us keep our preferred and superior system.
    Actually Scarecrow you are wrong about Canada. Dentistry is not covered under the Health Act in Canada. Every dentist, peridonist or oral surgeon is paid by person receiving the work or by Blue Cross or private supplemental health insurance. Jumping the line for medical help by offreing more money could easily result in the Dr being stripped of his credentials. I would imagine it happens, but not on a regular basis.

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