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    Default Spartan Gladiator flat roof cabs

    I'm looking for feedback from guys with Spartan flat roof cabs regarding interior height for the crew seats. I'm well aware of the raised roof versions because we have a variety, but I'm curious if guys feel the flat roof is just too low when donning scba, egress and such. This would be an aerial hence the flat roof option, and yes I know, some aerials can still have a raised roof. Overall height is the concern here.

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    I've only looked around one of the spartan flat roofed cabs and didnt care for it.....now mind you I didnt have to pack up or really move around much but thats my .02 cents.


    Random thought from an idle mind.... I really wish that my department would have gotten the bigger Spartan cab on our rescue. Both with the long cab and really high raised roof section..... it makes life so much easier.....

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    For the record, we're supposed to be seated and belted when in motion. Unless you're 6'9", I don't think you'd have a problem donning while seated.

    I put on my bunker gear, and done the SCBA when I get on scene.
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    Could always notch the roof I suppose if this was a huge issue, so you get your low travel height and some headroom for your guys sitting outboard. Not sure if it worth the extra cost though. I'm betting you've considered this already. It ain't cheap, if I recall correctly.
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    We have a 5inch raised roof cab on our 75 rearmount, it is also the LFD. And it does not have the aerial notch. We felt with the overhead A/C the raised roof gave us more room between the officer and driver for mounting different things and being able to get to them easily.

    And the overall height is about 11'8

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    Syracuse has a bunch of Spartan Gladiators with the flat roof due to our TeleSqurt booms. They have never presented a problem for crew confort or access.
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    The flat roof does not create a problem with SCBA donning. You are not allowed to wear your helmet in a moving apparatus any longer so if your head fits you should be good. If this is a mid mount aerial having a raised roof will greatly affect your operation over the cab of the truck. Ours will go down to 17 over the cab with a flat roof.

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    The Spartan flat roof has about 4 more inches of head room than a Pierce or E One flat roof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hfd272000 View Post
    We have a 5inch raised roof cab on our 75 rearmount, it is also the LFD. And it does not have the aerial notch. We felt with the overhead A/C the raised roof gave us more room between the officer and driver for mounting different things and being able to get to them easily.

    And the overall height is about 11'8

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    Another great point. We sold a pumper with a 5" raised roof, and this was a no cost option. The cab looks great, and this also gave them some headroom while still being able to fit in their station. Putting an aerial over this wouldn't push your travel height as high as with a 10" raise.

    Only "issue" I see is that you get the flat roof doors, as opposed to the full height doors that come with a 10" raised roof. The air conditioning condenser was also mounted on the frame rails to keep everything low.
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    Good point about the 5" raised roof. That's not a common option for Spartan.

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    Do you happen to have any pics of that a/c condenser mounting that you could email to me? Now that is something I have never seen.

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    Much appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by npfd801
    The air conditioning condenser was also mounted on the frame rails to keep everything low.
    I'd like to see these pics as well. We had our condensers mounted on either side of the ladder.

    As for the frame placement, we have them mounted that way on the Med units, and they collect all the garbage from the road, as well as rocks and such, damaging them. And yes, they have "screens" for protection(???).

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    After seeing the pics, I don't think you could use this option on an aerial because of torque box/outrigger placement.

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    Here is a picture of ours with the A/C condensers on the roof
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    Does anyone know what the 10" raised roof option costs?

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    I never got the point of the raised roofs. Never really saw a good reason to walk around the cab. Being hunching over to get in and out doesn't really seem worth the extra cost. Seems like the money could be spent on more useful things.

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    Spartan does not up charge for a 10" raised roof. So if there are no height restrictions, it only makes sense to take that option to have more headroom in the cab.....that is if you are buying a Spartan.

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    This is the only Spartan we have. There are not many in our area that I can think of.
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    Here's a few pics of our Spartan/Crimson rigs we just got, with the 10in raised roofs, and 1,000 gal tanks, and rear discharge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    For the record, we're supposed to be seated and belted when in motion. Unless you're 6'9", I don't think you'd have a problem donning while seated.

    I put on my bunker gear, and done the SCBA when I get on scene.
    I'm glad someone said what I was thinking. Butts in the seat with your belts on boys. Do you need a raised roof in your own car?

    Seriously, I've tried bunking out in the back of a moving rig before and ceiling height is the least of the problems with that idea. And four guys trying to bunk at the same time just sounds like a disaster in the making to me. We have a Spartan flat-top pumper and ceiling height has never been an issue at any time for us. From a purely aesthetic point of view I like the cleaner lines of a flat-top over a raised-roof on just about any brand of custom cab but of course looks always take a backseat to function.

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    Already mentioned, but, what about going with a notched roof, you could add 12 inches or so and still be well within your tolerances

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    Default some other considerations

    a few things that we did with our last custom which is a 22" raise though not a spartan but things to ask about when considering a raised roof. Travel height around us is no problem ... some low trees but thats about it. With going to the raised roof some things we are able to do that we wouldnt without it. The AC unit which would be directly over the engine tunnel between the driver/officer and back crew would restrict interaction between the crew in the back and front. Next we wouldnt be able to mount our handlights for the crew on the back wall above the headrests as the roof would be very close to there. we also have a ric bag which we mounted above the water can on the back wall next to the forward facing seats which with a flat roof we wouldnt have the height to do this. Our cab is designed so that you can arrive and have your initial compliment of tools without having to go further than your riding position this also gives us more compartment space on the outside for other tools. This unit is a rescue pumper by the way. Also the way our bay is configured we all enter on the passenger side door its much easier to walk without crouching to the other side of the truck to get to the far seat. I agree once the truck is in motion you should be sitting but when returning equipment to the cab it is again more friendly on the back to stand up than bend over. Point being yes you can deal with a flat roof, however if it is free or cost is no option why not have the added luxiery. If you have to choose between that or something more practical than learn to duck walk well. Look at the raised roof and if there are no cons to having it in ur district, height issues, midmounts you lose scrub area which isnt good, budget issues than get it.

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