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    Question for FDNY guys, I notice many donít use the waist straps on your Scott airpak. Why ?

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    Cause they are a pain when you need things out of your pockets and when you wear it 10-20 times a day and have to get dressed in a shoe box it is not exactly easy to don!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyirons2 View Post
    Cause they are a pain when you need things out of your pockets and when you wear it 10-20 times a day and have to get dressed in a shoe box it is not exactly easy to don!
    Thanks for the quick answer

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    If it sounds like we're going to work, you can sometimes wriggle enough to get it connected enroute or once there, but you run the risk of losing site of the boss who will normally be off like a shot.
    But usually they're left swinging....

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    Personal preference. If it is an automatic alarm and nothings showing then you really don't need them. If things are cooking then you just buckle up.

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    Just curious, not trying to stir the pot, but I have heard that all of the weight should be directed on your hips. True or untrue? Or, is it personal opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScooterUMT56 View Post
    Just curious, not trying to stir the pot, but I have heard that all of the weight should be directed on your hips. True or untrue? Or, is it personal opinion?
    True.

    Causes less back strain for the weight to be on the hips, also causes less burns as where your bunker gear in pinched you are more likely to be burnt. Problem you have it that some guys are too big in the middle (opposite of little in the middle but she got much back....) that they don't have hips, so they opt for the shoulders, other problem is that short people can't wear it on thier hips and be able to move their head as their helmet constantly hits the bottle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScooterUMT56 View Post
    Just curious, not trying to stir the pot, but I have heard that all of the weight should be directed on your hips. True or untrue? Or, is it personal opinion?
    Very true. Same as a decent backpack. Purpose of the shoulder straps to keep the tank from falling backwards and smacking you on the back of your knees. What a bunch of BS, no time to buckle waist belt. Damn uncomfortable too.

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    A buddy of mine used to not buckle is SCBA belt until we entered an IDLH and his buckle strap got hung up. In the midst of the smoke we lost him for a moment but then found him and cut him loose. We decided to exit the structure cause of the heat and smoke characteristics and a few seconds later the room we were in flashed. He has vowed to always buckle his strap now. Just something to think about...

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    I would worry that that waist strap would get caught on something, or even worse if I ever had to be dragged out by my scba that it would pull right off over my head.

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    I agree that it becomes an entanglement hazard. I am not a small guy and I manage to get the straps on in the rig okay.

    Having said all that I am not about to tell an FDNY guy how to wear his air-pak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoserbt View Post
    I would worry that that waist strap would get caught on something, or even worse if I ever had to be dragged out by my scba that it would pull right off over my head.
    What is the first step before removal of a unconcious fireman? Bueller...Bueller....Bueller...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    What is the first step before removal of a unconcious fireman? Bueller...Bueller....Bueller...

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    check mask seal to determine if air is flowing to mask (fingers under edge of mask)
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    Our FD is pretty good about doing up waist straps. We train that you use all the straps as designed and on those rare occasions someone fails to do their straps they get a reminder from their CO. This is done with little fanfare or disagreement. That being said, the one truly valid argument I see is the blocking of pockets. On routine runs it seems I'm always in my pockets for something and the coat pockets are blocked by the straps. This has forced me to put all my essential safety stuff in my pants bellows pockets, to ensure access, though this is far from optimal as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMidget View Post
    check mask seal to determine if air is flowing to mask (fingers under edge of mask)
    Wrong. That is the first step when you locate the FF.



    What is the first step before removal of a unconcious fireman?
    Loosen shoulder straps. While maintaining contact with waist strap (if you can find them dangling ) disconnect and reconnect through crotch. Retighten shoulders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Wrong. That is the first step when you locate the FF.



    Loosen shoulder straps. While maintaining contact with waist strap (if you can find them dangling ) disconnect and reconnect through crotch. Retighten shoulders.

    Bingo

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    Bingo

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    Do you have something to back this up? Out of all RIT crews I have been apart of I have never heard of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Wrong. That is the first step when you locate the FF.
    and you need to locate the firefighter before removal

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMidget View Post
    Do you have something to back this up? Out of all RIT crews I have been apart of I have never heard of this.
    My Depts procedures.

    I suggest your dept send a few men to FDIC or something like it to get some up to date training.

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    Checked with my department and 4 surrounding departments. Most don't know of this method, none use the method. We are taught to use DRD, SCBA straps, Hose straps, etc. Prefered method if SCBA is intact is to use SCBA straps (there is a handle behind the helmet). If SCBA straps are not intact to use DRD. Must be an East Coast/West Coast thing.
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    I think I see Midget's issue with this issue. While most RIT training I'm familiar with uses the same SCBA as harness method, few or none would advocate not utilizing the waist straps under "normal" circumstances, as the dangling straps present a potential entanglement issue causing the need for the RIT/FAST. This is especially true in industrial settings but not limited to, where grated floors/stairs will "accept" the male end of the seatbelt harness and hold on to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    I think I see Midget's issue with this issue. While most RIT training I'm familiar with uses the same SCBA as harness method, few or none would advocate not utilizing the waist straps under "normal" circumstances, as the dangling straps present a potential entanglement issue causing the need for the RIT/FAST. This is especially true in industrial settings but not limited to, where grated floors/stairs will "accept" the male end of the seatbelt harness and hold on to it.
    No one is advocating to not use the waist straps....I typically don't and I have my reasons. If you like to use it and keep you from easily accessing your tools in your pockets...more power to you.

    However regardless if the waist strap is used or not...before removing a downed fireman you must turn the mask into a harness by unbuckling the waist straps and placing them through the crotch so the mask and the brothers air supply don't become seperated during removal.

    That means if it is around his waist...it must be loosened and removed and rebuckled and tightened so no matter how much you pull on the shoulder straps it won't come off.

    This is really basic stuff here guys. You have to pull a fireman soaking wet from a basement job from the shoulder straps (the DRD is only meant for horizonatal removal) I can almost assure you the mask will become seperated from the unconcious fireman before he makes it to the street.

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    If you arent converting your pac into a harness via the above mentioned method, you are at risk to pull the pac right off your brother.

    This method was part of every RIT class I have attened.
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