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    Sometimes I feel like I live in a parallel unoiverse. US Senators heaping praise on one of the most oppressive dictators in modern history. Unbelievable:

    CBC members praise Castro
    By: Alex Isenstadt
    April 7, 2009 07:01 PM EST

    Key members of the Congressional Black Caucus are calling for an end to U.S. prohibition on travel to Cuba, just hours after a meeting with former Cuban president Fidel Castro in Havana.

    “The fifty-year embargo just hasn’t worked,” CBC Chairwoman Barbara Lee (D-Ca.) told reporters this evening at a Capitol press conference after returning from a congressional delegation visit to Cuba. “The bottom line is that we believe its time to open dialogue with Cuba.”

    Lee and others heaped praise on Castro, calling him warm and receptive during their discussion. But the lawmakers disputed Castro's later statement that members of the congressional delegation said American society is still racist.

    "It was quite a moment to behold," Lee said, recalling her moments with Castro.

    “It was almost like listening to an old friend,” said Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Il.), adding that he found Castro’s home to be modest and Castro’s wife to be particularly hospitable.

    “In my household I told Castro he is known as the ultimate survivor,” Rush said.

    Rep. Laura Richardson (D-Ca.) said Castro was receptive to President Obama’s message of turning the page in American foreign policy.

    "He listened. He said the exact same thing" about turning the page "as President Obama said," said Richardson.

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    Richardson said Castro knew her name and district. "He looked right into my eyes and he said, 'How can we help? How can we help President Obama?'"

    President Obama vowed during the 2008 presidential campaign to loosen the longstanding travel embargo on Cuba, and Lee – who has been pushing for an end to travel and trade restrictions for some time - said now was as good a time as any to change the way the two countries did business.

    There is now serious momentum in long-standing efforts to overturn the nearly five decade ban on travel and trade with Cuba. Previous efforts have been blocked by a vocal and influential Cuban American community, and former President Bush's veto threats on legislation to overturn the prohibitions have kept such proposals at bay.

    In a statement following the meeting today, Castro said that the delegation had expressed to him that a segment of American society “continues to be racist,” and is at least partly to blame for the travel restrictions.

    But the delegation this evening said those remarks were not expressed in the meeting.

    “That did not happen,” Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), told reporters.

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    Maybe they should move there and see if their opinion remains the same. Idiots.
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    Well if they have their way Cuba will be the country with the most freedoms. It will also have the most capitalism as we turn to socialism and communism.

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    Our current policy towards Cuba is ridiculous. We should have dropped our embargo with them long ago.

    George, were you not listening to the rhetoric that was being spouted when trade relations were opened between the US and China and Vietnam?

    It wasn't much different.
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    Wasn't the trade embargo the brainchild of John Fitzgerald Kennedy?He was upset that the Bay of Pigs fiasco happened and to show that he wasn't going to be bullied by some banana republic dictator who allowed his country to be a subsidiary base of the Soviet Rocket Corps,he decided that the United States would not do business with or allow travel between the countries.
    That showed them,didn't it?Now,we have bleeding hearts who are calling it a 40 year mistake when it wa one of their icons who enacted the embargo.Guess they need to brush up on their world history a little,eh?
    Besides,we can send them oil and food at cheaper rates than they can get it.What do they have to offer in return?Baseball players?

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Our current policy towards Cuba is ridiculous. We should have dropped our embargo with them long ago.

    George, were you not listening to the rhetoric that was being spouted when trade relations were opened between the US and China and Vietnam?

    It wasn't much different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    Wasn't the trade embargo the brainchild of John Fitzgerald Kennedy?He was upset that the Bay of Pigs fiasco happened and to show that he wasn't going to be bullied by some banana republic dictator who allowed his country to be a subsidiary base of the Soviet Rocket Corps,he decided that the United States would not do business with or allow travel between the countries.
    That showed them,didn't it?Now,we have bleeding hearts who are calling it a 40 year mistake when it wa one of their icons who enacted the embargo.Guess they need to brush up on their world history a little,eh?
    Besides,we can send them oil and food at cheaper rates than they can get it.What do they have to offer in return?Baseball players?
    What's your point? Are you touching yourself inappropriately because you believe you have a "gotcha" moment with JFK?

    The Cuban embargo is outdated and needs to be dropped. While baseball players would be able to play in the MLB with less hassle (immigration reform is a whole different topic), Cuba has always been a very strong sugar producer. Don't think for a moment all those subsidized US sugar producers (most of whom are conservatives btw) will be fighting tooth and nail to enact tariffs on imported Cuban sugar (speculation of course). While I don't smoke cigars as often as I once did, the ability to walk down to my corner liquor store and buy a genuine (not a counterfeit like my friends bring back from Mexico) Havana Montecristo will be an infrequent treat.
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    So your justification for doing business with Castro is that they make nice cigars?
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    So your justification for doing business with Castro is that they make nice cigars?
    I guess a simple minded individual could think of it that way. My justification for doing business with CUBA is we broke the seal on doing business with communist countries long ago. It makes our policy towards Cuba hypocritical.

    In my opinion, the only way to bring capitalism to Cuba is for us to change our trade policy. I believe the influx of foreign capital and investment would be beneficial to the Cuban populace.

    It's hard to believe since few are alive to remember. Besides their exports Havana was considered a premier tourist destination for Americans until the embargo. It is a very popular destination with other countries. No sense in excluding Americans and American business from that market any longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I guess a simple minded individual could think of it that way. My justification for doing business with CUBA is we broke the seal on doing business with communist countries long ago. It makes our policy towards Cuba hypocritical.

    In my opinion, the only way to bring capitalism to Cuba is for us to change our trade policy. I believe the influx of foreign capital and investment would be beneficial to the Cuban populace.

    It's hard to believe since few are alive to remember. Besides their exports Havana was considered a premier tourist destination for Americans until the embargo. It is a very popular destination with other countries. No sense in excluding Americans and American business from that market any longer.
    I don't think that it is a problem doing business with a communist nation. It is doing business with an oppressive dictator with no conscience that bothers me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    Wasn't the trade embargo the brainchild of John Fitzgerald Kennedy?He was upset that the Bay of Pigs fiasco happened and to show that he wasn't going to be bullied by some banana republic dictator who allowed his country to be a subsidiary base of the Soviet Rocket Corps,he decided that the United States would not do business with or allow travel between the countries.
    That showed them,didn't it?Now,we have bleeding hearts who are calling it a 40 year mistake when it wa one of their icons who enacted the embargo.Guess they need to brush up on their world history a little,eh?
    Besides,we can send them oil and food at cheaper rates than they can get it.What do they have to offer in return?Baseball players?
    I could personally care less what happened 50, 30 or even 10 years ago. I'm concerned about what happens now. What do you stand to lose by opening up dialogue? We normalized trade relations with China, Russia and yes, even Vietnam. You don't like Cuba or don't support normal trade relations with them? Then don't buy their products. Besides, as you claim all they can offer are baseball players, so what are you worried about? Go ahead and boycott any ballgames when Cubans are playing. Are you afraid Fidel is going to try and move next door to you? Put up a ten-foot fence to protect your little piece of paradise in America.

    Get over it; you sound like your trying to cling to rancid bits of history which for all intents and purposes have no bearing in today's world. So be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    I don't think that it is a problem doing business with a communist nation. It is doing business with an oppressive dictator with no conscience that bothers me.
    So where's your rantings over our relationship with China, Vietnam, Russia, or any number of African or Latin American nations? Or all those years we were doing business with the Shah of Iran?

    Somehow you only single out Castro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    So your justification for doing business with Castro is that they make nice cigars?
    Yes, the institutional name for this is the Monica affect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I guess a simple minded individual could think of it that way. My justification for doing business with CUBA is we broke the seal on doing business with communist countries long ago. It makes our policy towards Cuba hypocritical.

    In my opinion, the only way to bring capitalism to Cuba is for us to change our trade policy. I believe the influx of foreign capital and investment would be beneficial to the Cuban populace.

    It's hard to believe since few are alive to remember. Besides their exports Havana was considered a premier tourist destination for Americans until the embargo. It is a very popular destination with other countries. No sense in excluding Americans and American business from that market any longer.
    So you have no problem with the human rights violations there?

    Didn't we set up an oil for food agreement with Iraq that didn't work either?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    So you have no problem with the human rights violations there?
    No more so than the human rights violations that occur in any of the other countries where US business interests exist.

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    Didn't we set up an oil for food agreement with Iraq that didn't work either?
    According to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So where's your rantings over our relationship with China, Vietnam, Russia, or any number of African or Latin American nations? Or all those years we were doing business with the Shah of Iran?

    Somehow you only single out Castro.
    Somehow you can't see the difference.
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    Actually.. what is the difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Actually.. what is the difference?
    We can start with the fact that the other countries listed never deployed enemy nuclear missiles 90 miles from our border.

    Then we can move to relatively recent events such as intentionally sinking ships with civilians trying to leave the island and having the military shoot down unarmed civilian planes (Cesena'a) on previously authorized (by Castro) humanitarian missions.

    Giving the entire history would take up pages.

    Also, I am not in full agreement with the way we deal with some of the other countries sc listed (our trade policy with China, for example, is lunacy). But are not talking about those other countries. This thread is about Cuba. FOCUS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    I don't think that it is a problem doing business with a communist nation. It is doing business with an oppressive dictator with no conscience that bothers me.
    This is different than China, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, and several other countries around the world how?

    I loathe Communism and all that it stands for, but this little neighbor spat with Cuba is nonsense. My issue is not with Cuba, but elected officials praising Chavez, Castro, and these regimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    This is different than China, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, and several other countries around the world how?

    I loathe Communism and all that it stands for, but this little neighbor spat with Cuba is nonsense. My issue is not with Cuba, but elected officials praising Chavez, Castro, and these regimes.
    I think I already stated that I do not necessarily agree with how we handle those other countries.

    However, the only country under discussion is Cuba.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    We can start with the fact that the other countries listed never deployed enemy nuclear missiles 90 miles from our border.
    Fair enough. Vietnam only killed 50K Americans. Two others (China & Russia) helped.

    Tells us which one had a greater impact.

    The Russians put those missiles on Cuba. Certainly they're culpable, yet we do business with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Fair enough. Vietnam only killed 50K Americans. Two others (China & Russia) helped.

    Tells us which one had a greater impact.
    Yes JFK/LJG's (democrats) war was certainly a sad affair.

    What's your point Mr Capitalism is bad but we must bring it to the Cubans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    What's your point Mr Capitalism is bad but we must bring it to the Cubans?
    Where have I ever said capitalism is bad?

    Why shouldn't we bring it to the Cubans? We've brought it to the Vietnamese and Chinese. Has that been a good or a bad thing for both countries and their people?
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    Just food for thought, but theres also some pretty impressive oil reserves offshore Cuba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    Yes JFK/LJG's (democrats) war was certainly a sad affair.

    What's your point Mr Capitalism is bad but we must bring it to the Cubans?
    Learn history. It was Dwight David Eisenhower - a Republican - who began placing advisors in Viet Nam in the '50s - I believe it was 1957 but I am not sure.

    Capitalism will likely not immediately destroy Cuba. We have been in China since Nixon visited in the early 70s and have slowly made progress in capitalism and broken down the strict rules of a one-class Communist nation. I likely think it will be a while before Cuba falls, considering the way they still treat disidents.

    I'd love to see Cuba fall, then we could move on to Hugo Chavez by taking out his biggest ally.

    A 21st century Domino Theory.
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    George...

    You forgot about the Soviet Unions's submarines.. and we did the same thing.. nukes in Turkey and subs actually inside Soviet territory (Blind Man's Bluff: The Untold Story of American Submarine Espionage by Sherry Sontag and Christopher Drew) You don't think that the Russians had nukes parked just across the Bering Sea? After all it was Sarah Palin on the campagn trail who stated "the first thing that President Putin sees when he comes to the US is Alaska"?

    George.. try flying a Cessna in the ADIZ around DC or in area with a temporary flight restriction involving POTUS... If you don't have a FAA transponder ID or a flight plan well prepared or even deviate a bit from that flight paln and don't respond to hails on.. they have standing orders to shoot down the aircraft.
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