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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Shocking as this may be to you, I listened to that monologue. I can tell you for absolute certain that you have completely taken it out of context. That tiny quote was from a satirical monologue. It was satire. Total satire. And you know it. If you don't know it, then you ought to improve your reading skills.
    To be fair, George.. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Anne Coulter and Laura Ingraham have all been guilty of taking things out of context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    To be fair, George.. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Anne Coulter and Laura Ingraham have all been guilty of taking things out of context.
    Lets not forget Monica Crowley and Michelle Malkin too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    To be fair, George.. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Anne Coulter and Laura Ingraham have all been guilty of taking things out of context.
    I would be just as critical of them. You are correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    To be fair, George.. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Anne Coulter and Laura Ingraham have all been guilty of taking things out of context.
    Anyone who confuses them as politicians, republicans, or republican leadership is showing their political naiveness.

    They are entertainers, pure and simple. "Taken out of context" is just part of the show!

    Kind of like the Op/Ed page of the New York Times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Anyone who confuses them as politicians, republicans, or republican leadership is showing their political naiveness.

    They are entertainers, pure and simple. "Taken out of context" is just part of the show!

    Kind of like the Op/Ed page of the New York Times.
    You are right about one thing.. they do entertain.. some of their commentary makes me laugh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    And yes, I hope the President fails, too. Because if he fails, his marxist agenda fails, too.
    This is the mindset that just really floors me.

    What if his "marxist agenda" causes the economy to recover? Would you rather people suffer under an agenda that you can agree with, instead of having a country that is improving under a system that you disagree with?

    "Unemployment is up, the stock market is down, people are loosing the houses, but don't talk Marxist to me! I would rather be a broke capitalist instead of Marxist who can make a living!"

    Newsflash: OUR WAY causes a global financial meltdown! So whatever we do, lets not deviate from Capitalism
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Newsflash: OUR WAY causes a global financial meltdown! So whatever we do, lets not deviate from Capitalism
    WOW...just WOW.

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    What if his "marxist agenda" causes the economy to recover?
    Because it has never worked in the history of the world, for one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Because it has never worked in the history of the world, for one.
    George, I won't speak for Marcus but I believe he put marxist in quotes because he (like me) doesn't believe Obama is a marxist. Unless you have proof Obama is seizing corporate interests with the intent of keeping them under government control in perpetuity the M word is really nothing more than hyperbole and the typical fear mongering the conservative news media has become.
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    Actually, Marxist/Leninism is only a theory that quite simply didn't and couldn't work due to the human factor. Sort of like the theory of perpetual motion, looks good on paper but nobody can replicate it in reality.
    Communism grew out of Marx, but varied a great deal and still does. Communism under Korea varies a great deal from communism under Castro. Socialism which I see the US heading towards is a reflex against the disaster that Capitalism in many countries worked under in the west which initiated this crisis. Quite a lot of the so called socialist countries, Sweden, Denmark, Czech Republic, Norway are actually faring better than other European countries because their loan practices are pretty strictly governed. Also rampant consumerism which, IMO, is the root cause never did take root there. I think you may well have to swallow a bitter pill and get used to more govt controls. I rather doubt the USA will ever go back to the days of Lehman Bros, BOA, Maddox and their ilk. Whether President Obama can pull this of is really in question, but the old way simply didn't work under either political party

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    [QUOTE=scfire86;1053009


    Since Limbaugh found a medical issue (which could have been easily resolved) to avoid serving in the military during wartime he's unaware that a good portion of the fighting and dying is done by teenagers.[/QUOTE]

    OK peckerhead. What branch of the military (US military) did you serve, in what MOS, what unit, what slots? List them. If none, then STFU and move on to your/Dem Underground's other (non-military) talking points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    OK peckerhead.
    Regardless of personal feelings or opinions, name calling need not be applied here. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post
    Regardless of personal feelings or opinions, name calling need not be applied here. Thanks.
    C'mon. Peckerhead is a funny word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    OK peckerhead. What branch of the military (US military) did you serve, in what MOS, what unit, what slots? List them. If none, then STFU and move on to your/Dem Underground's other (non-military) talking points.

    If I'm not mistaken, and Sc can speak for himself, but Sc has stated previously that he was drafted into the Vietnam era army.
    I think an apology is appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    OK peckerhead. What branch of the military (US military) did you serve, in what MOS, what unit, what slots? List them. If none, then STFU and move on to your/Dem Underground's other (non-military) talking points.
    I did serve. Got drafted even. Right as Vietnamization was shifting into high gear so I never got sent anywhere outside of my time zone on the west coast.

    So that puts me ahead of Limbaugh in terms of military experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, and Sc can speak for himself, but Sc has stated previously that he was drafted into the Vietnam era army.
    I think an apology is appropriate.
    Thanks Jasper. I don't need an apology from farmboy. His statements speak for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    OK peckerhead. What branch of the military (US military) did you serve, in what MOS, what unit, what slots? List them. If none, then STFU and move on to your/Dem Underground's other (non-military) talking points.
    Since when did you become the chief prosecutor of this forum? Last time i checked, this man is not on trial. If he served in the military and what he did is certainly none of anyone's business except his own. You were totally out of line on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    This is the mindset that just really floors me.

    What if his "marxist agenda" causes the economy to recover? Would you rather people suffer under an agenda that you can agree with, instead of having a country that is improving under a system that you disagree with?

    "Unemployment is up, the stock market is down, people are loosing the houses, but don't talk Marxist to me! I would rather be a broke capitalist instead of Marxist who can make a living!"

    Newsflash: OUR WAY causes a global financial meltdown! So whatever we do, lets not deviate from Capitalism
    According to Karl Mark, this socialism is the last step before communism. Now go back into the 70s and 80s and look at communist Russia. Those people had no fuel to keep their homes warm, food was scarce, Most Russians lived a meager existence with no freedoms. Capitalism improved the quality of life for all Russians.

    Our current society is 50 Capitalist, 50% socialism. Perhaps it was the infusion of socialism that caused the capitalism to fail, for without the burden of socialism, capitalism is free to grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    George, I won't speak for Marcus but I believe he put marxist in quotes because he (like me) doesn't believe Obama is a marxist. Unless you have proof Obama is seizing corporate interests with the intent of keeping them under government control in perpetuity the M word is really nothing more than hyperbole and the typical fear mongering the conservative news media has become.
    Well he is pushing for 10 of 10 of the requirements as put fourth by Marx, if that is definitely Marxist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post
    Regardless of personal feelings or opinions, name calling need not be applied here. Thanks.
    OMG!!!! You do realize he is referring to the master of name calling don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, and Sc can speak for himself, but Sc has stated previously that he was drafted into the Vietnam era army.
    I think an apology is appropriate.
    SC says a lot of things that are incorrect or false, how do you know when to believe him? Better question. Was he on the North or the South?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    SC says a lot of things that are incorrect or false, how do you know when to believe him? Better question. Was he on the North or the South?
    We know a thing about you. You're not smart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Well he is pushing for 10 of 10 of the requirements as put fourth by Marx, if that is definitely Marxist.
    Can you tell me what the 10 requirements are? Or are you just repeating what you heard on "I-Hate-Obama" Radio this morning?

    At least go through the trouble of copy & pasting them and explaining to me what he is actually pushing for.
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    Here, I saved you the trouble:

    1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. - has not happened, nor will it happen. Actually the Bush era policy of deciding that government can use Eminent Domain to take your property and give it to Wal-Mart to make more money in taxes would be the closest thing to this that I can think of

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. - People always bitch about taxes, so they will probably say that this applies.

    3. Abolition of all right of inheritance. - Find me any source that can cite Obama on abolishing inheritance

    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. - Actually the conservative desire to deport the illegals and take their property to pay for the costs associated with the illegals would be the closest thing to this requirement.

    5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. - People are crying that Obama is centralizing the banks. Other than opinion pieces I have not seen any proof. I'll give Obama 1/2 a point for this requirement

    6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. -There are 2 landline, 6 cell phone, and lots of VoIP providers trying to get me to switch to their service, so there is no Centralized communication. I'll give him 0.5 points for maybe having to back the big 3 (or 2, Ford is trying)

    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. - Not happening

    8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. - Unions? they have been around long before Obama

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equal distribution of the population over the country. - Not happening, if anything more people are moving into towns looking for work

    10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c. - Been around forever, education vouchers that Bush proposed would be close to this as well.


    Looking from this Obama's policies cover 2 of the 10 requirements, and one of them is Taxes. People always bitch over taxes.

    Bush era policy would cover 2 as well, but different ones.

    But hey, the conservatives say that he is Marxist, so lets not do any research.

    After all these years, we are still scared of the communists.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Can you tell me what the 10 requirements are? Or are you just repeating what you heard on "I-Hate-Obama" Radio this morning?

    At least go through the trouble of copy & pasting them and explaining to me what he is actually pushing for.
    Sure can, unlike our friend SC, I have sources facts and figures. I don't just read the Huffington Post and run with it.

    The Communist Manifesto

    10 Conditions For Transition To Communism

    1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
    3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
    5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
    6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
    8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equal distribution of the population over the country.
    10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c.[7]

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