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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
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    They were kids. The story is out, I don't know if it's true or not, but apparently the hijackers, these kids, the merchant marine organizers, Muslim kids, were upset, they wanted to just give the captain back and head home because they were running out of food, they were running out of fuel, they were surrounded by all these US Navy ships, big ships, and they just wanted out of there. That's the story, but then when one of them put a gun to the back of the captain, Mr. Phillips, then bam, bam, bam. There you have it, and three teenagers shot on the high seas at the order of President Obama.


    Sounds more like they were in Texas

    They had a United States Citizen held hostage!

    They got what they were surely deserve! Period!

    Mr. Bush would have ordered the same things had he been in office.

    Obama should have acted faster instead playing a wait and see thing. He probably was shooting hoops during that time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    They had a United States Citizen held hostage!

    They got what they were surely deserve! Period!

    Mr. Bush would have ordered the same things had he been in office.

    Obama should have acted faster instead playing a wait and see thing. He probably was shooting hoops during that time!
    At least he wasn't playing with his cigars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    Obama should have acted faster instead playing a wait and see thing. He probably was shooting hoops during that time!
    I'm not sure if he could have acted any faster. Richard Phillips was a hostage for only 3 days.

    I'm sure that the USS Bainbridge does not have SEAL team members assigned to it on a regular basis. It would have taken at least a few hours to get those personnel in place on the Bainbridge before a plan of action could be made.

    Then they had to take time to allow the pirates comfort level to drop before they allowed the Bainbridge to close the distance.

    Our snipers are good, but shooting long distances on the open ocean from a ship that is pitching and yawing is a very delicate matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    I'm not sure if he could have acted any faster. Richard Phillips was a hostage for only 3 days.

    I'm sure that the USS Bainbridge does not have SEAL team members assigned to it on a regular basis. It would have taken at least a few hours to get those personnel in place on the Bainbridge before a plan of action could be made.

    Then they had to take time to allow the pirates comfort level to drop before they allowed the Bainbridge to close the distance.

    Our snipers are good, but shooting long distances on the open ocean from a ship that is pitching and yawing is a very delicate matter.

    OK I'll go with you logic. Depolying a Seal team either from Norfolk or California would take a bit to do, Maybe several hours. The big part is flying close to the scene. Getting them close by aircraft (COD) to a carrier or by a C-135 to let them helo to the Bainbridge. Plans can be and most likely be discussed while enroute. Once on scene the final plans are discussed and carried out.

    Either way they acted as they were trained to do. A big ^5 to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Do you really believe he was chastizing the actions of the SEALS? Because he absolutely was not.

    I was not talking about the SEAL's, nor even mention anything about chastizing SEALs, so I don't know where you are picking that up from. I view the SEALs actions like that of a SWAT team in a hostage standoff and lives being threatened, they did their job, regardless of the pirates' ages.

    I was commenting about the decision of the president, whom Rush has publically stated wants to see him fail, and that despite the decision made Rush would have chastized it. I was commenting about the last line of the excerpt:

    (There you have it, and three teenagers shot on the high seas at the order of President Obama.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Shocking as this may be to you, I listened to that monologue. I can tell you for absolute certain that you have completely taken it out of context. That tiny quote was from a satirical monologue. It was satire. Total satire. And you know it. If you don't know it, then you ought to improve your reading skills.
    To be fair, George.. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Anne Coulter and Laura Ingraham have all been guilty of taking things out of context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    To be fair, George.. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Anne Coulter and Laura Ingraham have all been guilty of taking things out of context.
    Lets not forget Monica Crowley and Michelle Malkin too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    To be fair, George.. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Anne Coulter and Laura Ingraham have all been guilty of taking things out of context.
    I would be just as critical of them. You are correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    To be fair, George.. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Anne Coulter and Laura Ingraham have all been guilty of taking things out of context.
    Anyone who confuses them as politicians, republicans, or republican leadership is showing their political naiveness.

    They are entertainers, pure and simple. "Taken out of context" is just part of the show!

    Kind of like the Op/Ed page of the New York Times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Anyone who confuses them as politicians, republicans, or republican leadership is showing their political naiveness.

    They are entertainers, pure and simple. "Taken out of context" is just part of the show!

    Kind of like the Op/Ed page of the New York Times.
    You are right about one thing.. they do entertain.. some of their commentary makes me laugh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    And yes, I hope the President fails, too. Because if he fails, his marxist agenda fails, too.
    This is the mindset that just really floors me.

    What if his "marxist agenda" causes the economy to recover? Would you rather people suffer under an agenda that you can agree with, instead of having a country that is improving under a system that you disagree with?

    "Unemployment is up, the stock market is down, people are loosing the houses, but don't talk Marxist to me! I would rather be a broke capitalist instead of Marxist who can make a living!"

    Newsflash: OUR WAY causes a global financial meltdown! So whatever we do, lets not deviate from Capitalism
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Newsflash: OUR WAY causes a global financial meltdown! So whatever we do, lets not deviate from Capitalism
    WOW...just WOW.

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    What if his "marxist agenda" causes the economy to recover?
    Because it has never worked in the history of the world, for one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Because it has never worked in the history of the world, for one.
    George, I won't speak for Marcus but I believe he put marxist in quotes because he (like me) doesn't believe Obama is a marxist. Unless you have proof Obama is seizing corporate interests with the intent of keeping them under government control in perpetuity the M word is really nothing more than hyperbole and the typical fear mongering the conservative news media has become.
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    Actually, Marxist/Leninism is only a theory that quite simply didn't and couldn't work due to the human factor. Sort of like the theory of perpetual motion, looks good on paper but nobody can replicate it in reality.
    Communism grew out of Marx, but varied a great deal and still does. Communism under Korea varies a great deal from communism under Castro. Socialism which I see the US heading towards is a reflex against the disaster that Capitalism in many countries worked under in the west which initiated this crisis. Quite a lot of the so called socialist countries, Sweden, Denmark, Czech Republic, Norway are actually faring better than other European countries because their loan practices are pretty strictly governed. Also rampant consumerism which, IMO, is the root cause never did take root there. I think you may well have to swallow a bitter pill and get used to more govt controls. I rather doubt the USA will ever go back to the days of Lehman Bros, BOA, Maddox and their ilk. Whether President Obama can pull this of is really in question, but the old way simply didn't work under either political party

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    Since Limbaugh found a medical issue (which could have been easily resolved) to avoid serving in the military during wartime he's unaware that a good portion of the fighting and dying is done by teenagers.[/QUOTE]

    OK peckerhead. What branch of the military (US military) did you serve, in what MOS, what unit, what slots? List them. If none, then STFU and move on to your/Dem Underground's other (non-military) talking points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    OK peckerhead.
    Regardless of personal feelings or opinions, name calling need not be applied here. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post
    Regardless of personal feelings or opinions, name calling need not be applied here. Thanks.
    C'mon. Peckerhead is a funny word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    OK peckerhead. What branch of the military (US military) did you serve, in what MOS, what unit, what slots? List them. If none, then STFU and move on to your/Dem Underground's other (non-military) talking points.

    If I'm not mistaken, and Sc can speak for himself, but Sc has stated previously that he was drafted into the Vietnam era army.
    I think an apology is appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    OK peckerhead. What branch of the military (US military) did you serve, in what MOS, what unit, what slots? List them. If none, then STFU and move on to your/Dem Underground's other (non-military) talking points.
    I did serve. Got drafted even. Right as Vietnamization was shifting into high gear so I never got sent anywhere outside of my time zone on the west coast.

    So that puts me ahead of Limbaugh in terms of military experience.
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