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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    interesting idea with the side waterway. Seems like the platform has less of a problem with hitting the waterway than the straight sticks, but still a good idea
    And of course Pierce will claim that they "invented" it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    I flew a SkyArm last week, and that does appear to be the same awkwardly shaped SkyArm bucket on the aluminum aerial.
    It actually looks like the first decently planned bucket Peirce has mounted. It has angled corner with angle faced entry doors where most of their previous buckets were rectangular and had a flat face. This one has a three sided lip edge.

    I know a certain well respected consultant has been spending a bunch of time in Wisconsin, and I'm sure he had no bones about pointing out previous flaws, maybe they listened to the needs of the end-users instead of telling us we need it because it's a Peirce. Nice bucket, smaller footprint for outriggers, sidemount waterway? The side waterway has always been an FDNY spec so put these features on a MM and maybe they make a play?

    In all I'm impressed. The old steel vs. aluminum line was all about marketing and selling trucks. While salesman will always try to market their products using whatever they can, it's too bad they were such d*cks about it. Kinda funny now when they can't just laugh and admit their argument was sales hype. Instead they look like arrogant pr*cks when they refuse to acknowledge their old "aluminum kills" line.

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    Think we should mail them a box of beer/pop cans?

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    Think we should mail them a box of beer/pop cans?
    got my vote

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy1213 View Post
    got my vote
    Make sure you include a few OLD rusted out steel cans too
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    It actually looks like the first decently planned bucket Peirce has mounted. It has angled corner with angle faced entry doors where most of their previous buckets were rectangular and had a flat face. This one has a three sided lip edge.
    The bucket design was carried over from when Pierce acquired the NovaQuintech line. I don't know that it's bad, it just seemed cramped when everything I've operated before were 3- and 4-man buckets (Pierce, E-One, Bronto). I'll be interested to see what the end-user feedback is....
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    SSSshhh,it's the Metz sneaking in.Next year it will be REMOVABLE!,hehe T.C.

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    I thought aluminum sticks have a higher safety margin than steel. (well atleast they are designed to higher safety margins, making them "stronger")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighter807 View Post
    Who said "aluminum kills"?

    I still think steel is stronger than aluminum for a fire ladder. Although we had a few E-One ladders when our dealer sold E-Ones. Back then I wasn't on the committee.

    But I do not remember ever hearing anyone saying "aluminum kills".

    Who said it? When?
    The reason for the quotes was show it was a paraphrase. While I never heard those words used, I have heard salesmen talk about melting temps, and failures at fire due to high heat and imply this could be hazardous to firefighters lives. Most Peirce people, sans the most recent one I've dealt with, were over the top in their marketing. I'm hoping that the salesman I know now is representative of a "new" line of thinking that doesn't paint them into a corner.

    While I'm not a big E-One fan I'd venture to say that their all aluminum aerials have a much better record of non-failure than any steel ladder builder with the same volume of aerials on the market. Peirce is smart to get on board if it opens the market to them, it's just too bad they made such *****es of themselves bashing E-One for so many years.

    Peirce needs to get over themselves. Show my functional reasons why I should buy a product, not big tires, a look and an oval that makes me part of an exclusive club of a-holes. Will the apparatus get the job done better or more reliably than others while remaining financially responsible? If they can answer yes, than please bid.
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    807: I can remember talking to various sales reps at a major fire chiefs show in 1990-ish and listening to the P rep laughing and commenting that any moron that paid for an aluminum ladder was a fool trying to get his people killed. This was not just a lowly sales rep it was a factory sales manager who was trying to show the local reps how to increase their P sales.

    And yes they were snorting the famous P flavored koolaid powder & running in circles & facing towards wisconson to do their little chant.

    It still amazes me that they "invented" all of the modern advances in firefighting vehicles.

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    I'm guessing there aren't too many ovals on the island? hehe T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    I'm guessing there aren't too many ovals on the island? hehe T.C.
    I've got an oval in my bathroom. You lift the seat to PEE !!! :-}

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    Don't tell Buff,he'll want one.The seat cover that is,hehe T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    I thought aluminum sticks have a higher safety margin than steel. (well atleast they are designed to higher safety margins, making them "stronger")
    I believe the KME rep stated that their line of aerials (all steel) were engineered to the highest safety margins out there, and are the only manufacturer that performs a "Proof Load Test" on every aerial sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    I've got an oval in my bathroom. You lift the seat to PEE !!! :-}
    My guess from the sound of things on here at times, is that many of the posters here may actually prefer to leave the seat DOWN!!

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    My Pierce rep even back in 1999 when we speced our Platform never once bad- mouthed aluminum. He said it was just a matter of personal preference. That was back before Pierce came out with even their straight stick made of aluminum. We are the proud owners of a 100' Platform bought in 1999 and and aluminum straight stick bought last year. I guess we have been fortunate that our Pierce rep. is a straight shooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    While I'm not a big E-One fan I'd venture to say that their all aluminum aerials have a much better record of non-failure than any steel ladder builder with the same volume of aerials on the market.
    In doing research for the replacement of our truck, we found that E-One and Sutphen (both aluminum ladder mfgs) have never had a failure that resulted due to design and or construction.
    Another thing we found out after talking to some 3rd party engineers was that altho Aluminum melts at a lower temprature than steel, it also disapates heat alot faster than steel to a point where haveing one of each ladder exsposed to the same fire at the same time the steel would reach it's melting point before Aluminum.
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    Best plan is keep the ladder out of the orange stuff,Then it's a non issue. Tony,you gonna be in Harrisburg? T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoofTopTrucky View Post
    In doing research for the replacement of our truck, we found that E-One and Sutphen (both aluminum ladder mfgs) have never had a failure that resulted due to design and or construction.
    Another thing we found out after talking to some 3rd party engineers was that altho Aluminum melts at a lower temprature than steel, it also disapates heat alot faster than steel to a point where haveing one of each ladder exsposed to the same fire at the same time the steel would reach it's melting point before Aluminum.
    Years ago, mid 80's, Boston Fire melted about 4 feet off the tip of one of their E-One ladders. Had to change their SOP's after that as to venting windows with the stick. I never saw or heard of them melting one of their steel American LaFrance, Maxim or Seagrave sticks. I'd like to see the documentation showing that steel will reach it's melting point quicker than aluminum.

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