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    If I may...

    WHAT DOES IT MATTER?

    Aluminum Aerials, Steel Aerials, Aerialscopes, Sutphen, Metz... It's all niche markets. They all do the same job in their own little way when the heat is on. Pierce has an Aluminum Aerial now - all that get's them is the ability to bid against an E-One spec (and Vise-Versa). That's all that really changed. Everyone has their beliefs and disbeliefs but no matter what the modern day aerial you're using today, it will still get you to the window to save that child or on that roof to crack it open. That's all that matters.

    Why argue over it? There's pros and cons to everything made for us these days.

    When will they make Carbon Fiber Aerials - It seems to work for our SCBA cylinders!
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    Everything I state on here is to support and aid my fellow firefighters. Everything I post is my opinion only, and in no way should be taken as an official opinion of any Company, Department, or Municipality I represent... oh and this includes Pierce Mfg, as so their legal department has advised me; since they apparently also invented the right to control "Free Speech".


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    Quote Originally Posted by laddertruckgoes View Post
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    WHAT DOES IT MATTER?
    Thanks brother! Work with whatever suits your needs and desires. Its the same arguments with leather vs composite helmets, PBI vs Nomex gear, leather vs rubber boots, less filling vs tastes great.

    I do hope that someday composite aerials will appear on the market and all metal aerials will go the way of the spring loaded wooden sticks. Although, since the fire service has been slow to accept composite apparatus bodies, I dont think aerials will show up any time soon.
    I have only 2 allegiances, to my country and to my God. The rest of you are fair game.

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    You know,you two are like water on a flame. We just start working a "soft" spot and along comes a couple of practicalists. Why don't you go get the popcorn goin' so I can keep this show running a little longer? Sheesh,T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickyr View Post
    2' bolt on egress at the tip.
    Plus some extra body height. They may not be building much these days but ALF makes a 75' w/ 500 gallons on a single axle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ivswo View Post
    Good point, you are correct about Ferrara. I wonder what the "In service" weight sticker is though with a 75ft steel ladder and 500 gallons of water? We are are already pushing the envelope. I take it Sutphen does not suffer from cracking in the same places due to their Huckbolt (?) fasteners?
    Don't know the weight but I did see specs for one and it was sporting a 22.5K front and a 33K rear.

    I see that E-One is now advertising a "78 foot" aerial. Is that a 3' egress? My company will be holding out for a 79' or 80' next year. LOL.

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    Talking 80' ladder

    52shelby: You're to late.
    E-one used to make an 80' ladder. It was a cut down 100' ladder. Too heavy. Could only install a 300 gal water tank on a single rear axle chassis.
    They went to lighter 75' with 500 gal water tank.
    Attached is picture of Claymount Del. 80'
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickyr View Post
    2' bolt on egress at the tip.
    Smeal has the same 2' bolt on egress.

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    Thumbs up New E-ONE HP78

    52shelby,

    In response to your question, the additional 3 foot in length from E-ONE is not a bolt-on egress. The new HP78 is a 3 man ladder (750 lb. tip load) plus equipment with a structural safety factor of 2.5 to 1 at all angles of elevation. It also maintains a 500 lb. tip load plus equipment while flowing water at all angles of operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighter807 View Post
    It is a new design but old marketing. 78 feet at 80 degrees of elevation. Kind of like the 95 Platform. 95 in name only. Actually 92 feet.
    Please Johnny One-note, tell us about how Pierce does it. Have they received the patents on aluminum and red paint yet?

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    Thumbs down Expected Comments

    Just trying to answer someone's question. Sorry it offended someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turfderf2 View Post
    Just trying to answer someone's question. Sorry it offended someone.
    807 has no god before Appleton. Running joke. Don't sweat it.

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