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    Default Jon Stewart: Truman is a War Criminal for Bombing Hiroshima

    He says it here at 05:50.
    JON STEWART: I try and draw the line where our country has drawn it for 200 years.
    CLIFFORD MAY: Do you think in World War II we did not inflict pain and suffering on suspects in the war in Japan?
    STEWART: I would hope we didn't waterboard people. I would hope we didn't...
    MAY: We did do Hiroshima. Do you think, do you think Truman is a war criminal for that?
    STEWART: Yeah.
    MAY: You do?
    STEWART: Yeah.
    MAY: Okay. This is a, this is a...
    STEWART: Here's what I think of the atom bombs. I think if you dropped an atom bomb fifteen miles offshore and you said, "The next one's coming and hitting you," then I would think it's okay. To drop it on a city, and kill a hundred thousand people. Yeah. I think that's criminal.
    Stewart later apologized, and admitted it was a mistake.

    But that doesn't change the fact that he believes dropping an atomic bomb and killing 100,000 people is still criminal. If he truly believes that, then how can he say with a straight face that Truman, or anyone else involved in the Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, is not a war criminal?

    What's even more disturbing is Stewart's belief that he prefers another 9/11 rather than water-boarding an individual who may have information of one occurring in order to prevent it.

    If you want the true facts leading up to the use of Nuclear Weapons against Japan, watch Bill Whittle's rebuttal.
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    I watch the Daily Show all the time. Jon Stewart is a comedian. Sometimes he's dead on, other times he's not. He apologized but, he's entitled to an opinion.

    I think the biggest misunderstanding surrounding "torture" is that torture is a **** poor and unreliable way to solicit a confession. HOWEVER, if you are trying to get INFORMATION, specifically information that will save lives, it can be rather effective. Most people would confess to anything, given enough pain and suffering. You can't make up specifics no matter how much pain is inflicted. jmo

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    The biggest problem is that what we did was not torture.

    We didn't behead anyone on camera. We didn't drag corpses though the streets. And we didn't fly their airplanes into their Mosque.

    Given that they were getting 3 squares and a nice place to live, they probably enjoyed what was done to them.

    Of course, imagine the libranazis if Rush had said it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvfd27 View Post
    I watch the Daily Show all the time. Jon Stewart is a comedian. Sometimes he's dead on, other times he's not. He apologized but, he's entitled to an opinion.

    And it was an unscripted live interview debate, where he didn't get time to think his way through each question and answer. Whittle's response was well put together, but he also had the luxury of being able to research and fact check his rebuttle before an edited taping.

    I'll still watch Jon Stewart, even after his "schooling". It's comedy after all, and many of his observations are actually spot on, even for a pessimistic conservative-liberal-commie fool like me.
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    Too bad the Japanese didn't drop a few bombs off Pearl Harbor as a warning before they destroyed the U.S. Fleet. They didn't even bother declaring war first.

    Here's why Stewart doesn't have a clue on this subject:

    We fire bombed every large city in Japan, killing hundreds of thousands, and the war continued. Their merchant fleet and navy were destroyed, and the war continued. We dropped the bomb on Hiroshima (killing tens of thousands), and the war continued. It took another bomb at Nagasaki 3 days later, and the soviets running roughshod over Manchuria, to convince them it was over. A bomb in the ocean would have been laughable.

    Look up and read Operation Downfall, about the planned invasion of Japan in late 1945. We expected up to 1 million US casualties, and probably 10 million Japanese. The Japanese had saved over 5000 aircraft and hundreds of small boats and subs for kamikaze missions, and every woman and child was issued a spear. Okay Mr Stewart, you're in a tank and a hundred women and children are running for you clutching explosives-will you shoot over their heads or kill them?

    The atom bombs saved millions of lives. You don't have to like it, but you have to acknowledge the history.

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    I think the other thing that dropping of the atom bomb did was set the stage for MAD, ( Mutually Assured Destruction) later in the cold war. Both USSR and USA realised that there was no possible way of either country surviving a nuclear war. It did lead to a bit better diplomacy and finally collapse of the Soviet Union when their economy could no longer support efforts to keep up with Pres Regans StarWars. Are we better off today? I guess thats debatable with the growth of terrorists but at least they can't wipe out countries with a push of the button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnyv View Post
    We fire bombed every large city in Japan, killing hundreds of thousands, and the war continued. Their merchant fleet and navy were destroyed, and the war continued. We dropped the bomb on Hiroshima (killing tens of thousands), and the war continued. It took another bomb at Nagasaki 3 days later, and the soviets running roughshod over Manchuria, to convince them it was over. A bomb in the ocean would have been laughable.

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    Not to mention a waste. The two bombs we dropped were the only two we had left (the first having been used during the Trinity test) and it would have taken a considerable amount of time to process the fissionable material needed for another one. The second bomb at Nagasaki convinced the Japanese that we had a supply of bombs and could continue to drop them at will until they surrendered. Fortunately they did not attempt to force our hand because we had no more A-bombs at that point.
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    What do you call an opinion that is wrong?

    A war criminal would have allowed over 11 million people to die, rather then several hundred thousand.

    I rarely watched the Daily Show.
    Now, I will never.
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    Every one has an opinion. I'm ok with that. Now here is my opinion.

    STEWART: Here's what I think of the atom bombs. I think if you dropped an atom bomb fifteen miles offshore and you said, "The next one's coming and hitting you," then I would think it's okay. To drop it on a city, and kill a hundred thousand people. Yeah. I think that's criminal.

    Ok that might have worked and since the Japanese wouldn't know if we were serious or not about bombing a major city with it then the ball would stay in our possession.

    What Mr. Obama has done is gave the ball to the enemy. He has said that we will not torture or use any type of torture related processes and has also released the documents describing what we have already done. Well, if I were a terrorist that happened to be caught I would know that the interrogators can threaten to torture me and show me the methods that they will use but I will already know that they can't and will not do it. I will have no real reason to talk if I am a loyal terrorist. In short the administration has taken the scare out of scare tactics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvfd27 View Post
    I watch the Daily Show all the time. Jon Stewart is a comedian. Sometimes he's dead on, other times he's not. He apologized but, he's entitled to an opinion.

    I think the biggest misunderstanding surrounding "torture" is that torture is a **** poor and unreliable way to solicit a confession. HOWEVER, if you are trying to get INFORMATION, specifically information that will save lives, it can be rather effective. Most people would confess to anything, given enough pain and suffering. You can't make up specifics no matter how much pain is inflicted. jmo
    I agree totally. Do what you can to get information. You know they don't play by any rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2426 View Post
    What Mr. Obama has done is gave the ball to the enemy. I will have no real reason to talk if I am a loyal terrorist. In short the administration has taken the scare out of scare tactics.
    How do you know that maybe that was a tactic to bring some of them out of the woodwork??

    Not defending his policy, not really understanding why he would air the dirty laundry but there has to be a motivation behind it. Most people don't understand that we are at WAR and anything goes.
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    We executed Japanese officers for water boarding American serviceman. If one believes waterboarding isn't torture is to ignore our own history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    We executed Japanese officers for water boarding American serviceman. If one believes waterboarding isn't torture is to ignore our own history.
    Just to give a little more background on that statement. I think it is a very important one. If the "Greatest Generation" could win a world war without it, why can't it be done now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    I think the other thing that dropping of the atom bomb did was set the stage for MAD, ( Mutually Assured Destruction) later in the cold war. Both USSR and USA realised that there was no possible way of either country surviving a nuclear war. It did lead to a bit better diplomacy and finally collapse of the Soviet Union when their economy could no longer support efforts to keep up with Pres Regans StarWars. Are we better off today? I guess thats debatable with the growth of terrorists but at least they can't wipe out countries with a push of the button.
    It took a computer at NORAD, under the WOPR program named Joshua to figure that out.

    It seems all of the cold war stuff is being forgotten. We are headed back in that direction as countries like Korea and Iran continue to develop WMDs. I'm thankful that Reagan ended the cold war. As a result Clinton was able to cut the size of the military by 1/3 saving the taxpayers untold billions. Now if we could just get an exit strategy for this war on poverty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmleblanc View Post
    Not to mention a waste. The two bombs we dropped were the only two we had left (the first having been used during the Trinity test) and it would have taken a considerable amount of time to process the fissionable material needed for another one. The second bomb at Nagasaki convinced the Japanese that we had a supply of bombs and could continue to drop them at will until they surrendered. Fortunately they did not attempt to force our hand because we had no more A-bombs at that point.
    And oh by the way, they had never been tested either. They had no idea if they would work or what the result would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2426 View Post
    Every one has an opinion. I'm ok with that. Now here is my opinion.

    STEWART: Here's what I think of the atom bombs. I think if you dropped an atom bomb fifteen miles offshore and you said, "The next one's coming and hitting you," then I would think it's okay. To drop it on a city, and kill a hundred thousand people. Yeah. I think that's criminal.

    Ok that might have worked and since the Japanese wouldn't know if we were serious or not about bombing a major city with it then the ball would stay in our possession.

    What Mr. Obama has done is gave the ball to the enemy. He has said that we will not torture or use any type of torture related processes and has also released the documents describing what we have already done. Well, if I were a terrorist that happened to be caught I would know that the interrogators can threaten to torture me and show me the methods that they will use but I will already know that they can't and will not do it. I will have no real reason to talk if I am a loyal terrorist. In short the administration has taken the scare out of scare tactics.
    You are absolutely correct. The enemy here has been brainwashed into thinking that it is OK to fly an airplane into buildings. They have been trained that it is OK to die for the cause. You need to use whatever tactics you can to get information from these nut jobs so that innocent lives can be saved. Now they know that if they get captured the worst thing that will happen is they will simulate a drowning. That might be borderline torture, but the rest of that stuff, get real!! Setting in a cell with a bug might work on the sissys who are calling that torture, but it won't work with the brainwashed whack jobs.

    Heck, in their countries they take their enemies and shoot them or behead them or drag them around behind a jeep. We aren't even close to what they feel is acceptable. You need to fight fire with fire.

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    Some might be interested in reading about Gen Black Jack Pershing and what he did in the Moro Rebellion in the Philipines. Might not work now and the libs would have his head, but it sure might open some eyes on Al Jazeera

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    We executed Japanese officers for water boarding American serviceman. If one believes waterboarding isn't torture is to ignore our own history.
    SC, there is also more to it than that. What the Japanese did to allied servicemen during WWII - from 1937 onward - makes the Nazis look like a street gang.

    Recall that the Japanese never signed the Geneva Conventions, so they gave no rights to our servicemen. Research what happened to the survivors of Wake, Coregidor, Bataan, New Guinea, Singapore, and other places. What happened with the Thai-Burma railroad is a shame - and I am not talking about watching The Bridge on the River Kwai either.

    Also recall that the treatment towards allied prisoners of war in Korea and Viet Nam had a direct lineage to the treatment given by the Japanese during WWII - although in Viet Nam there was also the added influence of the French, who were no saints themselves during their war in Indochina.

    I think waterboarding and other tortures are not going to produce reliable information consistently, so why use it? But don't simplify the argument SC. There is much more to the reasons we executed members of the Japanese and German high commands. And it was after a trial as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    We executed Japanese officers for water boarding American serviceman. If one believes waterboarding isn't torture is to ignore our own history.
    Your ignorance insults those who were abused by the IJA in the prior to, and during, WWII. Barbaric does not even begin to describe the widespread practices.

    Typical of your ilk/part trying to compare waterboarding to the atrocities committed. Find someone literate to read to you about the period.

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