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    Default Helmet mounting in new apparatus?

    What are people doing with the new NFPA requirement in mounting helmets in apparatus, I see zico has a universal mount anyone use it and what else is do you see or use thanks.


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    Hopefully, not complying! Another waste of money.

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    I agree......I wonder which one of the bracket manufacturers lobbied for this sillyness??????
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    I third the "silly" opinions. WASTE OF MONEY AND EFFORT. I am for being safe, just not shooting from the hip on a whim.
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    4th vote. I'm all for securing equipment in the cab in case of a vehicle crash. But lets use some common sense...oh wait we can't do that.

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    I also agree, i was just wondering if anyone knows how to deal with this NFPA requirement, o hope we can talk our admin into not complyng with this requirement. Thanks

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    Im all for not following a few of NFPAs standards, but what do you do if your state has adopted them as OSHA? You have a wreck and a helmet strikes someone. Now you have a major lawsuit because you didn't comply. NFPA uses the fear of a major lawsuit to scare everyone into compliance.
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    No one will make you mount these brackets. You have the option of placing labels in the cab that state "Helmets are not to be worn while riding in cab." I know we'll enforce this rule, very, very <insert sarcasm> strictly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by npfd801 View Post
    No one will make you mount these brackets. You have the option of placing labels in the cab that state "Helmets are not to be worn while riding in cab." I know we'll enforce this rule, very, very <insert sarcasm> strictly.
    Naw thats no good either- Remember, they just came out with a statement a few months ago (probably in anticipation of this new standard) reccomending that helmets NOT be worn while in apparatus???? And I believe their intent was to insert that into a standard somewhere????

    Like I said....I wonder which bracket manufacturer greased the committee members to get this stupidity adopted???
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    I worded my response poorly. The folks that I sell for are not requiring you to have the helmet mounts. You have the choice of mounting the helmet mounts in the cab for storing the helmets, or they can be stored in the body somewhere. Like everything, how you handle it when the truck gets to your department is up to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Naw thats no good either- Remember, they just came out with a statement a few months ago (probably in anticipation of this new standard) reccomending that helmets NOT be worn while in apparatus???? And I believe their intent was to insert that into a standard somewhere????

    Like I said....I wonder which bracket manufacturer greased the committee members to get this stupidity adopted???
    Hmmm.. race car drivers, fighter pilots, helo drivers and tank crews wear their helmets in their respected modes of transportation....
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    I can see that a fire helmet is not a crash helmet... especially the way some guys strap all kinds of cr_p on them.... that's another whole thread on stupidity.... anyhow...

    Where are the statistics that show firefighters being hurt by wearing helmets while in motion?

    Heck... I grew up watchin Desotto and Gage strap their helmets on every time they responded Squad 51... they can't be wrong... can they....
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    tv would never lie to us.

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    I believe remember reading in one of the trade journals that our friend Alan Saulsbury was actually a proponent, and perhaps even the author, of the no-helmet policy. It might have been in one of Robert Tutterow's articles in Fire Apparatus Magazine. The idea was that the seat belts, seat height, and ceiling heights were all engineered without the firefighter wearing a helmet. Therefore, if the FF had a helmet on, there is theoretically a higher chance of a spinal compression injury occuring in a roll-over incident.

    Naturally, with the "everything must be secured in the cab" emphasis that NFPA puts on things, the collateral effect of this was the need for helmet-holders.
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    If you have ridden in a Pierce or E-One with your helmet on and went over some railroad tracks a little fast you'll know why there is the new standard. Those brands cabs are extremely short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    The idea was that the seat belts, seat height, and ceiling heights were all engineered without the firefighter wearing a helmet. Therefore, if the FF had a helmet on, there is theoretically a higher chance of a spinal compression injury occuring in a roll-over incident.
    While I'm not a big fan of the holders, they make sense in away. I rarely wear my helmet while riding as the headrest are not made/installed with the helmet in mind. Factor in any airbags that you might have and you may very well case more injury by wearing the helmet. Fire helmets would seem to offer very little protection in the event of a vehicle accident. Of course setting mine on the dash in front of me allows it to become a projectile, so maybe a holder that can be conveniently mounted near the seating position would be smart?

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    I'm all set with this.Take the Firecom OFF the hook,put the helmet ON the hook. hehe T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baja320 View Post
    If you have ridden in a Pierce or E-One with your helmet on and went over some railroad tracks a little fast you'll know why there is the new standard. Those brands cabs are extremely short.
    Ride in both and over tracks very often. No problem with helmet on head.

    YOU might have a problem with design of your particular trucks though...
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    When is NFPA coming out with the new device to secure my raincoat and baseball cap in the cab. They ride in there everyday and I think they really need to be restrained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexfd5 View Post
    When is NFPA coming out with the new device to secure my raincoat and baseball cap in the cab. They ride in there everyday and I think they really need to be restrained.
    be careful lex.... nfpa is probably watching this thread.


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