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    I am no fan of Michael Savage (I choose not to listen to his program), but it is bewildering to me how the UK government can put him in the same class as the Grand Wizard of the KKK and the head of Hamas. I guess it is a signal of the erosion of any semblance of democracy in the UK.

    Named and shamed: the 16 barred from UK
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    Sixteen people banned from entering the UK were "named and shamed" by the Home Office today.

    Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she decided to make public the names of 16 people banned since October so others could better understand what sort of behaviour Britain was not prepared to tolerate.

    The list includes hate preachers, anti-gay protesters and a far- right US talk show host.

    "I think it's important that people understand the sorts of values and sorts of standards that we have here, the fact that it's a privilege to come and the sort of things that mean you won't be welcome in this country," Ms Smith told GMTV.

    "Coming to this country is a privilege. If you can't live by the rules that we live by, the standards and the values that we live by, we should exclude you from this country and, what's more, now we will make public those people that we have excluded.

    "We are publishing the names of 16 of those that we have excluded since October. We are telling people who they are and why it is we don't want them in this country."

    She said the number of people excluded from Britain had risen from an average of two a month to five a month since October.

    The list of the 16 "least wanted" includes radio talk show host Michael Savage, real name Michael Weiner.

    "This is someone who has fallen into the category of fomenting hatred, of such extreme views and expressing them in such a way that it is actually likely to cause inter-community tension or even violence if that person were allowed into the country," Ms Smith told BBC Breakfast.

    Also named are American Baptist pastor Fred Waldron Phelps Snr and his daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper, who have picketed the funerals of Aids victims and claimed the deaths of US soldiers are a punishment for US tolerance of homosexuality.

    "If people have so clearly overstepped the mark in terms of the way not just that they are talking but the sort of attitudes that they are expressing to the extent that we think that this is likely to cause or have the potential to cause violence or inter-community tension in this country, then actually I think the right thing is not to let them into the country in the first place. Not to open the stable door then try to close it later," Ms Smith said.

    "It's a privilege to come to this country. There are certain behaviours that mean you forfeit that privilege."

    Hamas MP Yunis Al-Astal, Jewish extremist Mike Guzovsky, former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard Stephen Donald Black and neo-Nazi Erich Gliebe are also on the list released today.

    Artur Ryno and Pavel Skachevsky, the former leaders of a violent Russian skinhead gang which committed 20 racially motivated murders, are also banned from coming to Britain. Both are currently in prison.

    Making up the rest of the 16 named by the Home Office today are preachers Wadgy Abd El Hamied Mohamed Ghoneim, Abdullah Qadri Al Ahdal, Safwat Hijazi and Amir Siddique, Muslim activist Abdul Ali Musa (previously Clarence Reams), murderer and Hezbollah terrorist Samir Al Quntar and Kashmiri terror group leader Nasr Javed.
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    Well I had never heard of him. But after a quick peek at the web site I can see why they would ban him. He stands for the basic values that caused the separation of Great Britain and the U.S. in the first place. He has no need for socialism.

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    Well, Liberalism/Socialism is all about free speech........
















    Unless it goes against what they believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Well, Liberalism/Socialism is all about free speech........


    Unless it goes against what they believe.

    Political correctness will accomplish nothing but to allow the oppression of a divergence of views and opinions.
    Exactly!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Well I had never heard of him. But after a quick peek at the web site I can see why they would ban him. He stands for the basic values that caused the separation of Great Britain and the U.S. in the first place. He has no need for socialism.
    The man's a psycho. He makes John Birch look like a liberal plus he's irresponsible and a liability to any station that airs his babble. Great Britain exercised good judgment and eliminated the trash from the air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell35 View Post
    The man's a psycho. He makes John Birch look like a liberal plus he's irresponsible and a liability to any station that airs his babble. Great Britain exercised good judgment and eliminated the trash from the air.
    He was banned from entering, not from being on the air. He can still be heard online anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell35 View Post
    The man's a psycho. He makes John Birch look like a liberal plus he's irresponsible and a liability to any station that airs his babble. Great Britain exercised good judgment and eliminated the trash from the air.
    So eliminating trash off the air is a good thing, huh? I was waiting for one of the libs to jump on this. Just what is your definition of trash? What is your definition of psycho? Should that be the bar that we have for whether people are allowed to exercise their right to freely express their opinions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell35 View Post
    The man's a psycho. He makes John Birch look like a liberal plus he's irresponsible and a liability to any station that airs his babble. Great Britain exercised good judgment and eliminated the trash from the air.
    Which proves my point exactly Gamewell. You are all for free speech, as long as it is not disagreeing with your Political ideology is poisonous - regardless of what persuasion you have.

    If you don't like what he has to say, turn the dial. Just as I don't watch CNN or MSNBC. Imagine that! You have choices to not listen to it, but don't you dare have the audacity to tell me I do not have the right to listen to what I want.

    And for the record, I do not listen to Michael Savage. But considering the number of stations that carry his program, the number of advertisers buying airtime on his show, want his endorsement, and the length of time that this has been going on.......I would hardly consider him a liability to those stations.

    He has the right to voice his opinions, as you have the right to voice your own. Just as Keith Olbermann can say as he wants. Or George Soros.

    Also recall that these same laws Britain has, other countries have and have used them to persecute and prosecute pastors for reading the Bible, even the parts that say homosexuality is wrong.

    As Larry Flint said "Freedom of speech protects the speech you don't like."
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell35 View Post
    The man's a psycho. He makes John Birch look like a liberal plus he's irresponsible and a liability to any station that airs his babble. Great Britain exercised good judgment and eliminated the trash from the air.
    What happened to free speech? Or do the liberals only approve of their own free speech? They should ban that clown Al Gore as well for spreading lies about how man is causing Global Warming.

    I am really disappointed in you lowering yourself to the level of comrade SCfire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell35 View Post
    He makes John Birch look like a liberal plus he's irresponsible and a liability to any station that airs his babble.
    Hahahaha. Yeah, what station would want a wildly popular, long running show with millions of listeners. Complete liability - other than popularity and advertising dollars. Love him or hate him, he's big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    What happened to free speech? Or do the liberals only approve of their own free speech? They should ban that clown Al Gore as well for spreading lies about how man is causing Global Warming.

    I am really disappointed in you lowering yourself to the level of comrade SCfire.
    Crow, the man preaches hate against those who differ from his viewpoint. Sure he has a right to his opinion and a right to voice it, thats why he is allowed to broadcast in this country. But in my opinion, those who preach hate go against the grain of humanity and the proper mode of civil human behavior. And yes, there are extremist Liberals who are in the same category as Savage; so I'm not defending their viewpoints either. Savage is just one of many "bad" people who are in the public forum, but this thread is about him and not others and as such thats why i'm limiting my opinions to just him.

    Yes, I'll agree that his show is popular and it generates alot of income for the company who employs him, but that doesn't change who he is and what he stands for.

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    I guess the people who lived through the fire bombing of London know a ****ing Nazi when they see one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell35 View Post
    Crow, the man preaches hate against those who differ from his viewpoint. Sure he has a right to his opinion and a right to voice it, thats why he is allowed to broadcast in this country. But in my opinion, those who preach hate go against the grain of humanity and the proper mode of civil human behavior. And yes, there are extremist Liberals who are in the same category as Savage; so I'm not defending their viewpoints either. Savage is just one of many "bad" people who are in the public forum, but this thread is about him and not others and as such thats why i'm limiting my opinions to just him.

    Yes, I'll agree that his show is popular and it generates alot of income for the company who employs him, but that doesn't change who he is and what he stands for.

    So Mote It Be.
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you probably don't listen to him on a regular basis and probably rarely do. I'm going to say your opinion of him is based totally on hearsay.

    But let's talk about people who preach hate. Al Sharpton is one who constantly stirs the pot on false accusations. Tawana Brawley, the duke lacrosse team, are two that come to mind without even thinking about it. He was up there on his soap box defending people who were flat out lying. Why isn't he banned. And then after he ruins a bunch of lives he just walks away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Should that be the bar that we have for whether people are allowed to exercise their right to freely express their opinions?
    You're absolutely correct on this one. I've listened to Savage enough times to know he's a "drop his pants" type of talk show host.

    Like all nutcases (from both sides of the aisle) I exercise my freedom to not listen to him.

    Just as I'm sure you do with the likes of Randi Rhodes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    What happened to free speech? Or do the liberals only approve of their own free speech? They should ban that clown Al Gore as well for spreading lies about how man is causing Global Warming.

    I am really disappointed in you lowering yourself to the level of comrade SCfire.
    Idiotboy once again proves he knows nothing about his subject. You don't actually believe you have free speech, do you?

    And please don't try to convince anyone you know anything about climatology other than what you read in a comic book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you probably don't listen to him on a regular basis and probably rarely do. I'm going to say your opinion of him is based totally on hearsay.

    But let's talk about people who preach hate. Al Sharpton is one who constantly stirs the pot on false accusations. Tawana Brawley, the duke lacrosse team, are two that come to mind without even thinking about it. He was up there on his soap box defending people who were flat out lying. Why isn't he banned. And then after he ruins a bunch of lives he just walks away.
    Crow, your correct in that I don't listen to his show on a regular basis; infact it's been a while since i've heard his show, but from the limited listening that i've done, it was more then enough to convince me that he is all about hate. Its not based on heasay, but on what i've heard him say.

    Furthermore, as I noted in the earlier post, the thread is about Savage, not Sharpton or Brawley or anyone else of that ilk. If you'd like to discuss that topic further, start a new thread and i'll be more then happy to engage you in rational dialouge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    I guess the people who lived through the fire bombing of London know a ****ing Nazi when they see one.
    The English also introduced the world to a lovely thing called "concentration camps", so I suppose you are right that they could identify a "nazi". The term nazi is thrown around so loosely these days that it is really loosing it's punch. Maybe it should be reserved for actual nazi's, not just people you disagree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell35 View Post
    Crow, your correct in that I don't listen to his show on a regular basis; infact it's been a while since i've heard his show, but from the limited listening that i've done, it was more then enough to convince me that he is all about hate. Its not based on heasay, but on what i've heard him say.
    I'd be interested in you sharing all the "hate" you have heard him speak. Please share with us so we all know what you are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whocares View Post
    I'd be interested in you sharing all the "hate" you have heard him speak. Please share with us so we all know what you are talking about.
    I listened to him a couple of years back. All he could talk about was Bill Clinton. That tells me right away he had no valid point worth making considering the man was no longer President and hadn't been President in six years.

    I guess when one finds a gold vein, you mine it till its empty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I listened to him a couple of years back. All he could talk about was Bill Clinton. That tells me right away he had no valid point worth making considering the man was no longer President and hadn't been President in six years.

    I guess when one finds a gold vein, you mine it till its empty.
    While it may constitute beating a dead horse, it certainly isn't hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whocares View Post
    I'd be interested in you sharing all the "hate" you have heard him speak. Please share with us so we all know what you are talking about.
    I'm not going to spoonfeed you the information nor should i have to; take the time and listen to his show and make your own determination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I listened to him a couple of years back. All he could talk about was Bill Clinton. That tells me right away he had no valid point worth making considering the man was no longer President and hadn't been President in six years.

    I guess when one finds a gold vein, you mine it till its empty.
    I guess that puts him right up there with all the pundits running around blaming everything on Bush.

    What I am finding interesting is that the only two who have listened to him are our liberal posters. I personally don't listen to these talk shows, none of them have anything of value to add.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I guess that puts him right up there with all the pundits running around blaming everything on Bush.

    What I am finding interesting is that the only two who have listened to him are our liberal posters. I personally don't listen to these talk shows, none of them have anything of value to add.
    Hey, you need to have a few liberal posters kicking around to keep the conservatives on their toes!
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    He doesn't preach hate. That is what those that sit on the opposite side of the political fence say about him. He does bring up points on political issues from a conservative position. Which now is attacked as a matter of policy from the liberal position. Those are the ones preaching 'hate', attacking personal character. I can give you many examples, Joe the Plumber because he asked a question of the President who fumbled his answer. The liberals answer to this is to attack Joe the Plumber. Mike Savage doesn't preach hate, but gets accused of it because of the manner in which he delivers his message and the way his frustration shows. If you do not agree with the President, your a racist. That is a real example of hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whocares View Post
    I'd be interested in you sharing all the "hate" you have heard him speak. Please share with us so we all know what you are talking about.
    Don't expect him to answer the question. He rarely does.
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