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    Default 2010 AFG / SAFER Budget

    Obama proposed 2010 AFG / Safer Budget

    AFG - $170 MILLION
    SAFER - $420 MILLION

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    This is the same Obama who supports the fire service, right?

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    Thanks for F#%^ING US OVER you freaking Dumb*****. Wasn't their a couple of articles out a while ago about dept. wanting to return SAFER funding?

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    25 of them at last check. I know a couple more that were offered after that turned it down too.

    Congress sets the budget, remember Bush dropped them both down considerably. $0 to SAFER if I remember correctly. So AFG will go back up, SAFER might go back down. This would be the time to get a hold of your Congressional Reps to help the cause. SAFER is nice but I know a lot of departments that have done right by their people and have enough of them that they're short handling other stuff so equipment and vehicles are more of a need than hiring. I'd like to see the station grant fit in there on a continuing basis also.

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    Have not been around for a while so here it goes....

    Why is it when the last president reduced spending it was a cut? Now with the current president its a "slim"? I want to slim down myself but 70%..... That's not slimming thats cutting/slashing.

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    I am sorry, but that seems like a lot of money to me.

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    Default Here is the info from CFSI

    On Thursday, May 7th, the White House released the appendix for the Administration's Fiscal Year 2010 budget proposal, detailing requested funding levels for programs and offices in the federal budget. The Administration initially released a blueprint of the $3.6 trillion budget in February, giving a snapshot of the President's spending plan.

    The Administration has proposed funding the Staffing for Adequate Fire and Emergency Response (SAFER) program at double the level it was funded in FY2009, increasing funding to $420 million for this crucial program. The United States Fire Administration (USFA) also receives a modest increase of approximately $600,000. The State Homeland Security Grant Program receives the same level of funding as FY2009 ($950 million) and the Urban Area Security Initiative (UASI) receives a $50 million increase.

    Unfortunately the Administration proposes funding the popular FIRE grant program at only $170 million - a cut of nearly 70% from Fiscal Year 2009. The program, which received $3.2 billion in requests in Fiscal Year 2008, provides funding for critical equipment, training, and apparatus directly to local fire departments. The program also provides grants for fire prevention and safety programs and firefighter health and safety research.

    While the Administration's budget proposal is meant to serve as a guideline for federal spending, Congress will ultimately determine funding levels for these programs. The House and Senate Appropriations Committees have begun work on crafting Fiscal Year 2010 spending bills. CFSI has reached out to members of Congress regarding the budget proposal and will continue to provide updates as the appropriations process moves forward.

    The Fiscal Year 2010 Budget Proposal and Appendix can be obtained from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB
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    While this supposedly creates jobs in SAFER it's a temporary fix. Even with the no matching for the 2 or 4 years (haven't seen which for sure) a lot of departments have already mentioned that Day 1 Year 6 is going to be pink slip day since the obligation is gone. Same thing that happened in the COPS program in the 90s. The overall economy isn't going to come back that quickly. If they wanted to make a bigger long-term dent then stretch it to 8-10 years on reduced matching amounts. Pay 30-40% for the whole period of time or something like that. Aloow for a better chance of recovery.

    Of course side note, need to have more manufacturing here. Common sense says shipping raw materials overseas and then buying the cheaply made finished product back at a huge markup isn't a good idea. Have to start making it more expensive to do business overseas to get the companies back. But I digress...

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    cross your fingers that the 2 are turned around and mistake hasn't been caught yet.
    AFG $420 MILLION
    SAFER - $170 MILLION

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    brian,
    I agree with your proposals.

    Why don't you run for office. But wait you make sense, Plus we need you here!

    I know we recieved SAFER for 1 firefighter in 2006. When we first applied I honestly thought by the end of the 5 year period we would been able to hire 1 or 2 more firefighters to give us 24 hour coverage. Everything was going OK. Not great but we had modest growth in our community. Now we have zero growth and it is getting hard to come up with the match now. I keep hoping the economy will turn around. I hope we will be able to keep our fulltime firefighter after the 6th year.

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    I don't think obama really knows much about the AFG. From looking at several of his other programs it seems like he's only looking creating jobs right off and doesn't see that with AFG fire dept's purchase tons of equipment and fire trucks that also keeps poeple working and contributes to the over all econmy. I'll terrible disappointment. But as said above congress has the final say and most congress me love AFG. They get to claim credit for bringing money to their states.

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    OK, I just read the news and felt like I was gut shot. Yes the time has come to hit on our congressman, but my congressmen are about to block my eaddress. Of course I also feel like the horse who keeps getting sugar and the first time they come to me without it, I bite their hand. Still, me thinks we are all going to get a reality check about this president. Its going to get harder for the administration to justify his actions and the media tired of whoring out for him. Still I am glad I got a chunk of my 'wants' in this year, but was still desperate for 2010 to add further or adjust for any of the DJ's. Safer is valuable, but will this influx of cash produce the job numbers he's hoping to show the nation or is there another demographic at work here. Remember, yes the dems want to increase the size and need for big government, but what their real goal is, is to increase the size of the democratic party.
    I would like to know how the reviewers instructions for the 2010 period will differ from this year.
    This just made my day,,,,, not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bukstpsear View Post
    Have not been around for a while so here it goes....

    Why is it when the last president reduced spending it was a cut? Now with the current president its a "slim"? I want to slim down myself but 70%..... That's not slimming thats cutting/slashing.

    No bias in the media.. none at all.
    There isn't media bias now, but media 'activism'. This has gotten so far past bias. When the media was hammering all the attention for days on the AIG 167 million dollar bonuses (which is nothing), it was just a smoke and mirrors trick from the real story which hardly got mentioned. The printing of 1.2 trillion dollars. Economists responses to this are not being reported. They say that if it doesn't work at best 20% inflation rate at worst total collapse. If you handed out a trillion dollars a second, it would take you 32,000 years to hand it all out.
    I know this belongs in another section of the forums, but the notification of AFG cuts just %#*^@& me off.

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    Just another way to screw the volunteer departments. Let's cut funding for equipment and apparatus, which are desperately needed by all, but increase funding for staffing, which really only helps the career departments.

    Oh well, we're used to it...

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    I guess Obama is done with "small town" USA.

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    Cool A Call To Arms!!!!!

    The proposed cuts by Obama are unacceptable. He releases billions in stimulus funds which we all know are not being accounted for properly, yet we as the recipient of AFG funding must keep detailed records of every penny we spend. The AFG program is a proven success across the country and now they want to cut money to a program that actually works. I often look at grants.gov and am sickened by the money out there for ridiculous research and activities in which most of the money goes to total waste. I have done my part by writing to my Congressman and state officials. We must overwhelm our elected officials with support of the AFG just as we did last year and the years before that. We must remind them who helped them get into office and if they want to stay there, they need to show the fire service some support. We not only need to ask for the funding to be reinstated to what it was last year, but an increase from what it was. As reported in the firehouse article over 3 billion dollars were requested from departments last year; therefore, only approximately 1/6 of total request in funds were fulfilled.

    Good luck to everyone with your 2009 AFG requests and hopefully there will be funding left for us all to apply for in 2010.

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    Brian is right on. Makes no sense to increase funding to SAFER when many departments continue to turn down their award in this economy. But cut AFG funding?. This could shut down some small volunteer departments that already save the taxpayers millions in labor costs. When the volunteer departments are gone, then what?. Start a paid department you can't pay for?.

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    Lets see.

    FG to small and rural FD (substantially more conservative the leftist (Red states).
    Safer substantially to city (UNION) FD (Blue states).

    What's hard to understand about payback?

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    Why? when the feds finally have a program that works they find new ways
    to screw it up. I bet the police dept.s are getting there lions share of the
    State Homeland security grant and the Urban Area Security Initiative. We
    need to let our legislatures know this is poor judgement on Obamas part and
    this needs to be addressed as soon as possible. Alot fire depts. could use
    the AFG funds for much needed equipment.
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    Maybe they figured out that every town doesnt need a towerladder or a
    tanker in a town with hydrants every 700ft.
    I feel sorry for the towns in real need of equiptment but some of the stuff I
    seen purchased with grant money is unbeliveable.
    The review process needs to be revamped so the needy gets what they
    need not what a computer says they need.

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    Sure there are some people that abuse the system but you will find that
    with any gov. funded program. But this program has done more good than
    bad and it is unfortunate that some depts. get greedy with there request and
    maybe should be more considerate of the little guy who really can benefit
    from this progam, because settling for a little less of what you really want
    only helps spread the the wealth a little futhor to maybe a couple more
    depts that could really use it

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    Dashman
    I couldn't agree with you more. I would like to see everyone that needs scba and ppe awarded before they start funding washers and dryers.

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    Whoa, where was I when this thread started? Some real "emotions" showing up here and that's good. Now, just be sure you are not wasting that effort only here in the forums; write to your Congressman but also remember something here folks. You need to let the other voters who are not in the fire service know what is going on also.

    You have to get a "groundswell" of public opinion rolling towards the front steps of the Whitehouse. Write "Letters to the Editor" in your local papers, get the word out to the voters that put him in office.You think losing your house to bankruptcy is tough; lose it to a fire!

    As several have pointed out in here, the President's thinking is flawed but, understandably so... look who is advising him! Many of you have not seen the RFPs for the recent law enforcement stimulus money as I have and "every single one" of them had as their primary "perfomance measure".... wait for it......jobs! How many jobs did he promise to "create" in first term? If he does not hit that mark.. he is a lame duck for a second term.His thinking here is "SAFER is about jobs so that is where I need to put the money".

    As some of you pointed out, he is losing sight of what the "industry" gets in increased manufacturing and ergo increased spending for making and supplying AFG requests.

    Study your history as you are so fond of saying and learn from the mistakes of the past with COPS hiring; it was a dismal failure. Back to the schoolhouse Mr President, you need a history lesson!
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    I came here to look for information (on how to describe how you use Rescue Andy) and what do I see on the homepage of FH but this story. I will refrain from making any unladylike comments apart from saying that I did not vote for him.

    now back to my search.

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    More jobs would be created through increased sales and contracting jobs if the money stayed more in the vehicles, equipment, and station program than SAFER. But then again, let's not bring common sense in where it doesn't belong.

    Rescue Randy - manikin, weighes around 170lbs, used for search and rescue or RIT training. So you can drop it on the floor, kick it, tie the recovery rope on the wrong way, or even forget about hooking him up to air and he won't kick your ***** after the revolution is over....

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