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    In order to qualify for a new pumper, does the pumper that is being replaced have to be placed out of service?

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    I think that is the priority, to replace an unsafe vehicle, and after delivery to confirm that the vehicle has been removed from fire service use.

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    what limeforever said
    we just did that, we were granted a pumper, but we had to take the old one out of service permantly, and believe me, they check
    Puttin the wet stuff on the red stuff!

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    If you're putting in to replace an apparatus, then you must take that apparatus out of service as a firefighting vehicle. There was some discussion on that very topic a while back and what AFG considers "out of service".

    What we did on ours was just put it up for bid locally with the disclaimer that it couldn't be used for emergency services. Depending on what kind of truck it is will depend on who might bid on it. Ours was a one-ton brush truck, so the local road district bought it to use as a utility truck for them. I've seen farmers or truck washing companies buy pumpers and tankers to use for their purposes.

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    You only have to remove them from service if you sell them as replacements for current apparatus. To if you choose 'Replace' in the dropdown, that obviously means you don't want it anymore. Choose 'Addition' and run from there if you don't want to get rid of the older truck and you won't have to ditch it.

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    Red face

    how do they check for putting a unit out of serv. picts?
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    They'll stop by.

    And you'll show them that it ain't there, and you have your bill of sale to Farmer Brown or the receipt by the local scrapyard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    You only have to remove them from service if you sell them as replacements for current apparatus. To if you choose 'Replace' in the dropdown, that obviously means you don't want it anymore. Choose 'Addition' and run from there if you don't want to get rid of the older truck and you won't have to ditch it.
    But does selling that 28yr old pumper to another FD in the US acceptable? Or to a FD outside of the US?

    Certainly 25yr+ pumpers that should/could be replaced at a given FD that are still better than current 35yr 1st line pumpers in FD in rural ______.

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    That's why we're still allowed to sell them to brokers, who can then do what they need to do to sell them to another department. If an FD is getting rid of a truck because it's a DOT death trap, then no one should end up with it or broker has to fix it to a DOT inspection point as part of vehicle regulations. If it's a POS from leaky/no worky pump standpoint and the chassis is fine, quick pump fix for the broker if they want, they aren't as regulated in the non DOT world for selling used trucks that aren't NFPA compliant to current age.

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    Looking for successful narrative for Quint. Replacing a 20 yr old squirt and would like to compare before submitting grant.

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    BC what are you advising regarding 2010 emissions? If the FG has their heads out they will get all vehicle apps announced before Dec 1. But based on 2008 record (NFPA 1901 update) that is not likely to happen.

    2010 emission is going to add $10-15k to price of a truck ordered after Jan 1, 2010. At this point you can't count on a big inventory of commercial chassis or custom engines sitting available (or eligible) as was the case @ time of 2007 emissions.

    So grant req as price today or add in $10-15k to allow for buying the new emissions BS?

    You do NOT want to buy a 2010 SCR chassis. Not just due to price increase. You do NOT want a truck for the new 30years where you will have to screw around with urea. Bad plan/bad news for fire service.

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    Most are adding that in already on the quotes, but most people I'm telling them to keep their price down and eat increases themselves. Going over $300k is still a bad thing for cost-benefit, so if they have to finance the extra $40k it beats financing the whole shebang.

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    I received this email today from our Program Specialist. They will be checking up on you, so follow all the rules--especially on trucks!! Luckily we've followed all rules to the T.

    Fire Department Name _________________________
    I am conducting a routine review of vehicle grants and have a couple of questions regarding your grant. I know some of up have talked but I need this information for the file. Please fill in your department name (including the state) above and answer the questions below and reply to this e-mail.


    1. Having read the Award Package & do you have any questions about your grant or performance requirements,
    2. Briefly explain the guidelines or purchasing policy you used?
    (i.e. followed City, County or State Purchasing Policy, truck committee developed specs, presented them to a board for approval)


    3. Did you mail specs along with your RFP to vendors. Did you advertise in the newspaper how long? Did you receive at least two bids for the vehicle you purchased?
    4. You should have had a contract with a firm delivery date. The contract should have additionally included a late delivery penalty of $100 per day for each day the vehicle was late. Was the vehicle delivered on time or was there a penalty fee involved?

    5. How did (or will) you meet the required NFPA 1001 training? (Pump operation & Driver) requirement for the vehicle?
    6. How did you (or will) dispose of your old unsafe vehicle?
    7. If your grant period of performance has ended, it is imperative that you closeout the grant as soon as possible. You have up to 90 days after the end of your period of performance to submit your closeout report. After 90 days your grant becomes delinquent. Be aware that you will not be considered for any future AFG grants until you meet your closeout obligation on this grant (or any other open AFG grants).

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