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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    You mean you donít use terms like moonbat, idiotboy, pelosi and reid?
    Nope. Like most ideologues (on both sides of the aisle) when encountered by facts and shown to be wrong, you get insulted.

    Don't you just love the free flow of ideas and "open-mindedness" of some people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Don't you just love the free flow of ideas and "open-mindedness" of some people?
    You mean like your claim that I believe people should say "woe is me" and live off the government the rest of their lives despite the fact I never said any such thing.

    The point you keep missing is my claim that people don't have the same starting point in life or the same opportunities. You seem to believe that isn't true.

    Fair enough. It's a free country, you're allowed to have that opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You mean like your claim that I believe people should say "woe is me" and live off the government the rest of their lives despite the fact I never said any such thing.
    And unlike you, I have dropped that issue once you actually addressed it. You did, after all, leave me no other choice but to come to that conclusion from your posts.

    You said that people could not overcome adversity in their lives and the government needed to step in and take care of them. I said that they did not have to lie down and suck off the tit of government and listed at least a half dozen people I knew personally or know of that did not let the disastrous events in their lives keep them down. Then you went into your hypocritical hypotheticals.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The point you keep missing is my claim that people don't have the same starting point in life or the same opportunities. You seem to believe that isn't true.
    Apparently you are incapable of comprehending plain English. I never once said that we all have the same startign points in life. I said we all have the ability to move forward from our starting points and overcome each and every obstacle that others put up in our way.

    I have also never said that it is not true. We are born. Whether we be born dirt poor, poor, eating off a silver spoon, or wallowing in $100 bills. You choose what you will do with your life, regardless of your birth circumstances or what occurs in your life.

    The individual has the most control over what happens in their life and which direction their life will take.

    And I have asked you multiple times to point out where I said what you accuse me of saying, but like most of your arguments you do not substantiate it with facts. I am not really surprised.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Fair enough. It's a free country, you're allowed to have that opinion.
    I don't need your permission to have my opinion. Free will is a beautiful thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You mean like your claim that I believe people should say "woe is me" and live off the government the rest of their lives despite the fact I never said any such thing.

    The point you keep missing is my claim that people don't have the same starting point in life or the same opportunities. You seem to believe that isn't true.

    Fair enough. It's a free country, you're allowed to have that opinion.
    You have never said that explicitly, but it is implied in all of your messages. Will you at least admit that there are generations of lifers living off the government and something has to be done about them. My solution is to do away with food stamps and replace that with a box of food that is picked out for you. Eliminate sending people to hotels, send them to a county owned building where they cook for themselves, pick up after themselves, and have no TV. Reduce payment to people who use the system more than once in a 4 year period. In other words, punish the lifers. Make SSD income non-exempt. And use a graduated system of payments, not a pass fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    You have never said that explicitly, but it is implied in all of your messages. Will you at least admit that there are generations of lifers living off the government and something has to be done about them. My solution is to do away with food stamps and replace that with a box of food that is picked out for you. Eliminate sending people to hotels, send them to a county owned building where they cook for themselves, pick up after themselves, and have no TV. Reduce payment to people who use the system more than once in a 4 year period. In other words, punish the lifers. Make SSD income non-exempt. And use a graduated system of payments, not a pass fail.
    I'm sure there are people like you describe, but you are doing an incredible job of inflating them to suit your moral crusade. According to the GAO, 98% of benefits went to eligible households, and only 4% were considered to be overpaid (and this number is falling).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionGoose View Post
    I'm sure there are people like you describe, but you are doing an incredible job of inflating them to suit your moral crusade. According to the GAO, 98% of benefits went to eligible households, and only 4% were considered to be overpaid (and this number is falling).
    Don't confuse idiotboy with facts. He wants to believe all those needing handouts are actually living on MTV Cribs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Don't confuse idiotboy with facts. He wants to believe all those needing handouts are actually living on MTV Cribs.
    Like you make arguments based on facts yourself. I needed a good laugh from a hypocrate this morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionGoose View Post
    I'm sure there are people like you describe, but you are doing an incredible job of inflating them to suit your moral crusade. According to the GAO, 98% of benefits went to eligible households, and only 4% were considered to be overpaid (and this number is falling).
    Never said they weren't eligible. The problem is it is to easy to get benefits especially for those who know how to work the system. My friend works at the DSS in chronic medicaid. She likes that a bit better than dealing with the same old low life's. Ask anyone who works there, they will tell you about how screwed up the system is. They will also tell you it is the same people coming in all the time. It is supposed to be a temporary assistance. I have seen people refuse jobs becuase they make more on public assistance, although I think that has changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Don't confuse idiotboy with facts. He wants to believe all those needing handouts are actually living on MTV Cribs.
    I'm still waiting for yo to produce facts and research. P.S. The Huffington post is not a good source. I have no idea what an MTV crib is so I can't address that. What I can tell you is that there are many out there who have learned to work the system such that they get temporary assistance for life.

    Perhaps you should get a job at the local DSS and learn what really goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    I'm still waiting for yo to produce facts and research. P.S. The Huffington post is not a good source. I have no idea what an MTV crib is so I can't address that. What I can tell you is that there are many out there who have learned to work the system such that they get temporary assistance for life.

    Perhaps you should get a job at the local DSS and learn what really goes on.
    You were just cited facts by the GAO regarding those on public assistance. I'm sure it's run by the liberal MSM bogeyman as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You were just cited facts by the GAO regarding those on public assistance. I'm sure it's run by the liberal MSM bogeyman as well.
    No, a statement was made. in order him to "cite facts" Goose would have had to post a link in order to verify that the quoted numbers were indeed from a government report. Conveniently, this was not done. Kind of like dealing with your posts. At least we addressthe matter when "facts" are introduced. You, on the other hand, do not.

    Considering the loopholes and ways the Medicaid/SSI rules are written, almost anyone can get this money - all you have to do is have someone write the recommendations for it. There is a huge industry of lawyers, medical professionals, and other personnel who exist solely to help this happen.

    This is why we have 23 year olds disabled with "Fibromyalgia."
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You were just cited facts by the GAO regarding those on public assistance. I'm sure it's run by the liberal MSM bogeyman as well.
    Hey libtard. How's that case going that proves the Iraq war cost $3,000,000,000,000.00?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    Hey libtard. How's that case going that proves the Iraq war cost $3,000,000,000,000.00?
    Pretty good. I'm a lot closer in my claim than you are with yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Pretty good. I'm a lot closer in my claim than you are with yours.
    That article reads:

    "The U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017..."

    And now you resort to rolling the cost of a war in another county to pad your still incorrect figure. It's an estimate of two separate wars 8 years into the future. At least you're consistent with your propaganda.

    Just two months ago you said...
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Current allocations to the Iraq war are already in excess of $600B so your figure is your typically stupid nonsense.
    Nothing is more stupid than a liar who boasts a grossly exaggerated figure, then posts links that contradicts his own libtarded statements.

    Thanks for taking the time to prove yourself wrong again libtard.
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    See response here.
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