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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    JCS say Guantanamo should be closed.

    Didn't the Bush administration and all their apologists, including Newt Gingrich, say that you can never go against the military or you hate the troops?
    Hey libtard. How's that case going that proves the Iraq war cost $3,000,000,000,000.00?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    Hey libtard. How's that case going that proves the Iraq war cost $3,000,000,000,000.00?
    Pretty good. I'm a lot closer in my claim than you are with yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I don't know, did they?

    Such a silly comment from you. Sounds like something Scarecrow/hottrotter would post.

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    Don't expect him to answer this question. He rarely backs his points up with facts. Likely that he won't do it this time either.
    So are both of you saying that conservatives have always believed it was okay to criticize the military and NOT be considered traitors?

    A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Did we charge POWs in WWII, Korea, Viet Nam? Why would we start now?
    We repatriated them after the conflicts were resolved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Pretty good. I'm a lot closer in my claim than you are with yours.
    That article reads:

    "The U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017..."

    And now you resort to rolling the cost of a war in another county to pad your still incorrect figure. It's an estimate of two separate wars 8 years into the future. At least you're consistent with your propaganda.

    Just two months ago you said...
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Current allocations to the Iraq war are already in excess of $600B so your figure is your typically stupid nonsense.
    Nothing is more stupid than a liar who boasts a grossly exaggerated figure, then posts links that contradicts his own libtarded statements.

    Thanks for taking the time to prove yourself wrong again libtard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    That article reads:

    "The U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017..."

    Thanks for taking the time to prove yourself wrong again libtard.
    Hey moonbat, the article indeed says "could." That means there is a possibility they "could" cost MORE.

    Which puts me closer to my claim of the war's cost than your claim of Obama not being a citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Hey moonbat, the article indeed says "could." That means there is a possibility they "could" cost MORE.

    Which puts me closer to my claim of the war's cost than your claim of Obama not being a citizen.

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    Which means the amount might be 2.4 trillion, split between two wars. So Iraq might reach 1.2 Trillion. Plus they include interest which falsely inflates the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So are both of you saying that conservatives have always believed it was okay to criticize the military and NOT be considered traitors?

    A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
    "yes" or "no"









    To claim "conservatives" do this or that is too vague. If you have a quote where someone made that claim, post it.

    You have your crazies on the left and we have some on the right. Means nothing. Your statement was silly, pure and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    "yes" or "no"

    To claim "conservatives" do this or that is too vague. If you have a quote where someone made that claim, post it.

    You have your crazies on the left and we have some on the right. Means nothing. Your statement was silly, pure and simple.
    Nice dodge. Let me ask it another way.

    Are you saying conservatives (on these boards) never called anyone a traitor for being critical of the troops?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Nice dodge. Let me ask it another way.

    Are you saying conservatives (on these boards) never called anyone a traitor for being critical of the troops?
    To be honest... I dunno. Probably.

    So what?

    You do this from time to time. It's cute and all, but pretty unimaginative.

    Oh well, get down with your bad self!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Nice dodge. Let me ask it another way.

    Are you saying conservatives (on these boards) never called anyone a traitor for being critical of the troops?
    I can't speak for the conservatives, but I can say that when one is critical of the troops they are definitely scum. However, if one is critical of their mission to keep us free then yes, they are a traitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    To be honest... I dunno. Probably.

    So what?

    You do this from time to time. It's cute and all, but pretty unimaginative.

    Oh well, get down with your bad self!
    Really? Calling someone a traitor is pretty unimaginative?

    Then there are a lot of unimaginative folks on these boards.

    I've never called anyone a traitor for disagreeing with me or being critical of the military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Really? Calling someone a traitor is pretty unimaginative?

    Then there are a lot of unimaginative folks on these boards.

    I've never called anyone a traitor for disagreeing with me or being critical of the military.
    Well, people say a lot of things and yes, there are a lot of unimaginative people on these boards.

    However, your question was "So are both of you saying that conservatives have always believed it was okay to criticize the military and NOT be considered traitors?"

    That's a wide net you were casting. At least now we know who you were really talking about.

    I believe that conservatives have always felt that to criticize the "military" was free speech and protected by our constitution in most cases.

    However, some speech could be treasonous and could be prosecuted. For instance, Jane Fonda's actions during the Vietnam war, it could be argued, satisfied the four conditions (established by the courts) that warrant a charge of treason:

    (1) an overt act, (2) testified to by two witnesses, (3) manifesting an intent to betray the United States (which can be inferred from the overt act itself), and (4) providing aid and comfort to the enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I can't speak for the conservatives, but I can say that when one is critical of the troops they are definitely scum. However, if one is critical of their mission to keep us free then yes, they are a traitor.
    Scarecrow, I think maybe that calling someone a traitor if they disagree with the govts position on a military issue is hardly treason. Govts make mistakes, e.g. Vietnam, and even sucessive govts have admitted it. I would think that that would be protected very strongly under your constitution on free speech. Personally, I feel our govt here is wrong for continuing to stay in Afghanistan. I think we've lost 119 young men and women with absolutely nothing to show for it on the positive side. You've lost a heck of a lot more.
    wasn't it one of your patriots that said something like " I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend unto death your right to say it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Maybe put them on the beach in Cuba, tell em, "Floridas 75 mi that way, if you are good swimmers, you'll make it in 3 days" Marcellama MF.

    Guantanomo Bay,Cuba is on the southeast corner of the island.The harbor has a dogleg from SSW to NNE if I remember correctly.The last time I was there was in February and March of 1988 for fleet refresher training.
    They'd have to swim out to sea,around the island and then head North to America.
    That'd be some damned determined terrs if they pulled that off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    Guantanomo Bay,Cuba is on the southeast corner of the island.The harbor has a dogleg from SSW to NNE if I remember correctly.The last time I was there was in February and March of 1988 for fleet refresher training.
    They'd have to swim out to sea,around the island and then head North to America.
    That'd be some damned determined terrs if they pulled that off.
    Yes Doug, but it would be so good for the environment and the ecological food chain. Just think of all those well fed sharks and those lower on the food chain.

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    Default Closing Gitmo

    I could say yes to closing Gitmo but if the US govt is going to do that then they better have another place to send them. Until then they can sit right where they are an bask in the warm sun of the Caribbean and get sun burn.

    And sending those detainees to a maxium security prison here in the US is not the place to send them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Nice dodge. Let me ask it another way.

    Are you saying conservatives (on these boards) never called anyone a traitor for being critical of the troops?
    I beleive a lot of people get this opinion based on the idiocy of some liberals over recent history. Specifically from Vietnam on and those who think targeting soldiers for protests is a good idea (remember the warm reception vietnam vets got....).

    I wholey and fully support your right to protest war/military action etc. I just draw the line when individuals take out their anger/protests on people who have little if any say in what they are to do. The 'troops' do what the command authority dictates. You protest the command authority, not the poor soldiers coming home. (you praise them for thier willing sacrifice on your behalf)

    I guess what I am saying is target your disapproval to the right location and thank God that you have people willing to sacrifice everything so you can voice your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Scarecrow, I think maybe that calling someone a traitor if they disagree with the govts position on a military issue is hardly treason. Govts make mistakes, e.g. Vietnam, and even sucessive govts have admitted it. I would think that that would be protected very strongly under your constitution on free speech. Personally, I feel our govt here is wrong for continuing to stay in Afghanistan. I think we've lost 119 young men and women with absolutely nothing to show for it on the positive side. You've lost a heck of a lot more.
    wasn't it one of your patriots that said something like " I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend unto death your right to say it"
    well we had a bunch of Jihadist in Gitmo to show for it until recently. Now we turn them loose to return to the battle.

    I would say that one can disagree with the government and it's decisions. But giving aid and comfort to the enemy is a treasonous act. And what I said is if you disagree with our military fighting to keep us free then that is a traitor. Recall that up until 2001 the U.S. was getting attacked on a regular basis, since that time there have been no other attacks. So apparently the policies were working. Now we have N Korea going wild and Iran telling us to shove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    well we had a bunch of Jihadist in Gitmo to show for it until recently. Now we turn them loose to return to the battle.

    I would say that one can disagree with the government and it's decisions. But giving aid and comfort to the enemy is a treasonous act. And what I said is if you disagree with our military fighting to keep us free then that is a traitor. Recall that up until 2001 the U.S. was getting attacked on a regular basis, since that time there have been no other attacks. So apparently the policies were working. Now we have N Korea going wild and Iran telling us to shove it.
    I certainly agree that giving aid and comfort to the enemy would definitely be treason. I don't think that disagreeing with being involved in Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan comes close to the above definition. As far as keeping your country safe and free, I think it has a lot more to do with your DHS, intelligence gathering, and beefing up security procedures at airports. Quite frankly, pre 911, security at many airports was abysmal.

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