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    Default prison at Guantanamo has weakened American national security

    Obama defends plan to close Gitmo

    "The record is clear: rather than keep us safer, the prison at Guantanamo has weakened American national security," he said during an address on national security at the National Archives in Washington.

    "It is a rallying cry for our enemies. It sets back the willingness of our allies to work with us in fighting an enemy that operates in scores of countries. By any measure, the costs of keeping it open far exceed the complications involved in closing it."

    He said that the facility resulted in the creation of more terrorists than it detained, and he said that over the last seven years, the system of military commissions at Guantanamo succeeded in convicting "a grand total of three suspected terrorists."
    With illogical thinking like that we should close all prisons!!! I'm confused as to how keeping letting terrorist back out into the wild makes us safer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Obama defends plan to close Gitmo



    With illogical thinking like that we should close all prisons!!! I'm confused as to how keeping letting terrorist back out into the wild makes us safer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScooterUMT56 View Post
    Me too....
    You will notice the liberals can't even come up with anything to support this though process. Reason being, it is STUPID!!!!!

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    Meanwhile in US prisons we produce black "converts" to Islamist jihadi who this week are planting bombs and making plans to attack Air Guard fighter base.

    Next, close Gitmo and take REAL Islamist radical terrorists and place them into our worst prisons with the worst antisocial trash in our nation. Let the instruction begin.

    And once on US soil to give them the ACLU and Constitutional rights.

    Great Idea.
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    I think the biggest problem is what the hell do you do with them after you close Gitmo? I know there is one supposed Canadian there, most of Canada sure doesn't want him back, but we probably will have to take him. What do you do with these S**theads from Yemen, Syria, Egypt, Afghanistan whose countries refuse to accept the. Like NEIOWA says, you don't really want them in your everyday prison system. Kind of a conundrum for this. Maybe put them on the beach in Cuba, tell em, "Floridas 75 mi that way, if you are good swimmers, you'll make it in 3 days" Marcellama MF.

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    Why aren't we charging these detainees again? We don't have the evidence to convict them, and we probably don't have the evidence to keep them in custody either. So instead we'll just keep pouring them into a big prison rather than admit a mistake.

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    So what this tells a ground pounder who encounters these otherwise fine and upstanding jihadists is that instead of sending them to Gitmo, you ought to just waste them there. Bullets are cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionGoose View Post
    Why aren't we charging these detainees again? We don't have the evidence to convict them, and we probably don't have the evidence to keep them in custody either. So instead we'll just keep pouring them into a big prison rather than admit a mistake.
    Because of this: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true

    Plus you get into the whole Taliban versus Al-Qaeda issue. Taliban prisoners are covered under the Gevena Convention, being that they were at one time part of the government of Afghanistan whereas Al-Qaeda is a terrorist organization without any state ties.

    Also in many of the Extradition Treaties the United States have with countries allows the United States the right to hold the person in question if they might face the death penalty for an offense in that in the United States would not face the death penalty.

    Countries in the middle east without extradition treaties with the United States:
    Iran
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    Pretty much all of them. So if the detainee may face charges in their home country that would lead to the death penalty they will not be extradited.

    So its more of an issue than just turning a key and letting them go...

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    Put em in general population at Rikers.

    Problem solved!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Put em in general population at Rikers.

    Problem solved!

    Perhaps we should send them to FDNY. I'll bet they would take care of them.

    Interesting is now that Obama is in the hot seat is keeping a lot of the Bush policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexfd5 View Post
    Countries in the middle east without extradition treaties with the United States:
    Iran
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    Lebanon
    Libya
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    Saudi Arabia
    Syria
    UAE

    Pretty much all of them. So if the detainee may face charges in their home country that would lead to the death penalty they will not be extradited.

    So its more of an issue than just turning a key and letting them go...
    Missing from that list: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan. Places where actual Al-Qaeda members are likely to be captured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionGoose View Post
    Missing from that list: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan. Places where actual Al-Qaeda members are likely to be captured.
    Don't forget China either, they are pretty close too

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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionGoose View Post
    Why aren't we charging these detainees again? We don't have the evidence to convict them, and we probably don't have the evidence to keep them in custody either. So instead we'll just keep pouring them into a big prison rather than admit a mistake.

    You arrogant ***. Blow your "charges" and "evidence" out your butt.

    These are not shoplifters, gangbangers, drug pushers, or any other kind of CRIMINAL. These are baby killing, suicide bombing, raping, mayhem creating, radical islamist filth. They are not US citizens and THEY HAVE NO CONSITITUTIONAL RIGHTS. They have no right to charges, a trial of any kind, or the ACLU. They don't even have the right to continue to live until dawn tomorrow. It is by the grace and mercy of the citizens of US if they do.

    They are TERRORISTS. Every damn one of the POS in Gitmo. In a just world every one of them would have been double tap (in the guts) on contact. But it was determined that they had value to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA if alive. I don't care what the value may be, propaganda, intelligence, etc it is their only value of any type. They are at war with the US and civilized Western society.

    They made War on the US! Do you understand? THEY MADE AND ARE MAKING WAR ON THE US. Not long ago what that ment was clearly understood. And Rule #1 was "You will lose". Rule #2 "See Rule #1".

    Torture? The leftists twits can't even define the concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionGoose View Post
    Why aren't we charging these detainees again? We don't have the evidence to convict them, and we probably don't have the evidence to keep them in custody either. So instead we'll just keep pouring them into a big prison rather than admit a mistake.
    Did we charge POWs in WWII, Korea, Viet Nam? Why would we start now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    You arrogant ***. Blow your "charges" and "evidence" out your butt.

    They are TERRORISTS. Every damn one of the POS in Gitmo. In a just world every one of them would have been double tap (in the guts) on contact. But it was determined that they had value to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA if alive. I don't care what the value may be, propaganda, intelligence, etc it is their only value of any type. They are at war with the US and civilized Western society.
    It seriously makes me laugh that someone could have the cognitive dissonance to use the phrase "civilized western society" and reek of American exceptionalism while talking about shooting suspected criminals on sight in the same paragraph.

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    We Are Civilized, Unlike Those Brown People We're At War With!

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    JCS say Guantanamo should be closed.

    Didn't the Bush administration and all their apologists, including Newt Gingrich, say that you can never go against the military or you hate the troops?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    JCS say Guantanamo should be closed.

    Didn't the Bush administration and all their apologists, including Newt Gingrich, say that you can never go against the military or you hate the troops?
    I don't know, did they?

    Such a silly comment from you. Sounds like something Scarecrow/hottrotter would post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I don't know, did they?
    Don't expect him to answer this question. He rarely backs his points up with facts. Likely that he won't do it this time either.
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    From the article posted by SC
    Mullen confirmed a Pentagon report leaked this week that said an increasing number of detainees have "returned to the battlefield in the last year or two."
    Looks like releasing these thugs is a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    JCS say Guantanamo should be closed.

    Didn't the Bush administration and all their apologists, including Newt Gingrich, say that you can never go against the military or you hate the troops?
    Hey libtard. How's that case going that proves the Iraq war cost $3,000,000,000,000.00?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    Hey libtard. How's that case going that proves the Iraq war cost $3,000,000,000,000.00?
    Pretty good. I'm a lot closer in my claim than you are with yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I don't know, did they?

    Such a silly comment from you. Sounds like something Scarecrow/hottrotter would post.

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    Don't expect him to answer this question. He rarely backs his points up with facts. Likely that he won't do it this time either.
    So are both of you saying that conservatives have always believed it was okay to criticize the military and NOT be considered traitors?

    A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Did we charge POWs in WWII, Korea, Viet Nam? Why would we start now?
    We repatriated them after the conflicts were resolved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Pretty good. I'm a lot closer in my claim than you are with yours.
    That article reads:

    "The U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017..."

    And now you resort to rolling the cost of a war in another county to pad your still incorrect figure. It's an estimate of two separate wars 8 years into the future. At least you're consistent with your propaganda.

    Just two months ago you said...
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Current allocations to the Iraq war are already in excess of $600B so your figure is your typically stupid nonsense.
    Nothing is more stupid than a liar who boasts a grossly exaggerated figure, then posts links that contradicts his own libtarded statements.

    Thanks for taking the time to prove yourself wrong again libtard.
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