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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    I think if one wanted to take the time to search about 12000 posts, you would find a few advocating the concept of community policing. Except for tactical officers, wearing military style uniforms, IMO, is unprofessional.

    Let me ask a serious question. How tall is their police chief?
    I agree with that as well. They are police officers not commandos. The two have a completely different mission and mindset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I agree with that as well. They are police officers not commandos. The two have a completely different mission and mindset.
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    SAPULPA, Okla. -- A paramedic involved in an altercation with an Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper in May will not be charged, prosecutors said Friday.

    In a statement released by Creek and Okfuskee County District Attorney Max Cook, he wrote that he hoped OHP would use the incident as a way to "open a dialogue about ways to forge good relationships with their partner agencies."

    Cook said he will ask the OHP to release the trooper's dash-cam video of the incident in response to public interest.

    Trooper Daniel Martin alleged that Creek Nation paramedic Maurice White Jr. acted aggressively toward him after Martin stopped his ambulance. Martin believed White's partner, Paul Franks, of raising his middle finger toward him.

    Franks denies ever making an obscene gesture toward the trooper.

    Martin chased the ambulance until it pulled over. Once he got out of his cruiser, he reports he was trying to talk to Franks when he saw White get out of the ambulance and slam the "door in a hostile manner."

    Martin said White kept getting between them, despite repeatedly being told by Martin to back off.

    In his report, White claims the trooper bolted out of his car in a huff and yelled at Franks, "What do you mean flipping me off?"

    White said he tried to explain to the trooper that they were taking a woman to a hospital and asked if they could continue the matter once they got there.

    Martin said White kept getting in his way, and he finally tried to arrest on charges of obstructing an officer. That sparked the first of two scuffles as Martin said he tried to arrest White but the paramedic threw up his arms to resist.

    The trooper said only when White got back into the ambulance was he able to speak with Franks. Martin said Franks assured him he did not give the trooper the finger gesture and apologized for not yielding.

    The trooper said he then walked around to the passenger side of the ambulance where White was standing and another scuffle ensued, and Martin said White grabbed him around the neck, refusing to let go. Martin said he applied a choke hold on White's neck to release the grip.

    With White calmed down, Martin said he told the paramedics to go to the hospital and he would follow.

    Martin said that if he were allowed to speak with Franks uninterrupted, the confrontation would not have happened.

    Franks ultimately was given a written warning for failure to yield. White was not arrested at the hospital. The patient in the ambulance was treated at the hospital for heat exhaustion.
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    http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/loc...rticleID=39136

    Its interesting - the DA said there enough evidence to file charges against the medic, and that he was not "does not condone the actions of anyone, and that includes very emphatically very strongly the actions of Trooper Martin"

    in many cases OHP will not release dash cam video, but fox 23 has an open records request pending.

    So, he knows there is enough to file charges against the medic, but also knows there is no way he will get a conviction.

    I wonder what would happen if the Medic goes and asks for charges to be filed against the trooper? (again)

    While some may say let it go - both were at fault, I don't agree. The Medics faults were not directly related to the every day performance at his job, but the troopers issues were things he has to deal with every day.

    Its obvious to me that the Medic has show he can do his job - for 30 years now.

    The trooper is barely a rookie, and shows some serious deficiencies in his people skills.

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    As a firefighter in New Zealand, I am a little loathe to state that I know a great deal about Oklahoma State law or even US law in general, but comments I have read on Officer.com suggest it is possible for an Officer to change his mind and "un-arrest" someone that has been arrested. It certainly seems this is what has happened in this case, when the ambulance was allowed to proceed to the hospital.
    The interview with the driver of the ambulance http://www.news9.com/Global/category...clipId=3825453 has the ring of truth about it and the fuller video of the incident caught on camera phone clearly shows events from White getting out of the Ambulance. The OHP dash video has not been shown and it is that which would quickly verify the truth or otherwise of a number of Officer Martin's statements.
    If it is true that he lied about driving with his siren on, and lied about the Ambulance driver extending his hand out the window and flipping him the finger then he simply is not someone who should be giving evidence in court much less driving an emergency vehicle or carrying a gun.
    George the OHP have some serious issues here, and millions around the world (like me) are following it with interest and not liking much of what we see.
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    I don't know why, but that link doesn't bring up the eleven minute interview with the paramedic. It is lower down on the same page titled "full interview with paramedic" among other video about the incident.
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    George the OHP have some serious issues here, and millions around the world (like me) are following it with interest and not liking much of what we see.
    Millions????
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Millions????
    You really aren't very smart are you? There are 3,642,361 people in Oklahoma alone. Now add the national attention this has gotten and you are easily in the millions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    You really aren't very smart are you? There are 3,642,361 people in Oklahoma alone. Now add the national attention this has gotten and you are easily in the millions.
    You questioning someone's intelligence? That's precious.

    Millions is a gross exaggeration. Aside from about 12 people on here, there is likely a dwindling number of people who even remember the incident. By the end of next week, it won't even be worthy of posts here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    You questioning someone's intelligence? That's precious.

    Millions is a gross exaggeration. Aside from about 12 people on here, there is likely a dwindling number of people who even remember the incident. By the end of next week, it won't even be worthy of posts here.
    Oklahoma Highway Patrol fight with EMT - 1,201,192 views

    I don't understand your demeanor. Why are you so eager to be unpleasant?

    I probably misunderstood something, but... In this video, at 1:47 when the officer is saying "You are under arrest," you can hear the paramedic saying "I would like to press charges on this officer." This was prior to the paramedic assaulting the officer and being choked. What would the paramedic press charges on the officer for at this point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanTurner View Post
    Oklahoma Highway Patrol fight with EMT - 1,201,192 views

    I don't understand your demeanor. Why are you so eager to be unpleasant?

    I probably misunderstood something, but... In this video, at 1:47 when the officer is saying "You are under arrest," you can hear the paramedic saying "I would like to press charges on this officer." This was prior to the paramedic assaulting the officer and being choked. What would the paramedic press charges on the officer for at this point?
    I have a rule. I am generally ALWAYS unpleasant to idiots.

    Now for your question. I have no idea. You have to remember that NO ONE in this incident was 100% in the right. I guess the only answer that would be reasonable is that something may have happened in one of two places; outside the ambulance during the time period prior to the video, or someplace in the deepest darkest recesses of the medics' head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanTurner View Post
    Oklahoma Highway Patrol fight with EMT - 1,201,192 views

    I don't understand your demeanor. Why are you so eager to be unpleasant?

    I probably misunderstood something, but... In this video, at 1:47 when the officer is saying "You are under arrest," you can hear the paramedic saying "I would like to press charges on this officer." This was prior to the paramedic assaulting the officer and being choked. What would the paramedic press charges on the officer for at this point?
    The man is a delusional twit. He doesn't have the brain of half a chicken. So inferior is he that it isn't worth the time of day to debate him. Sort of like catching fish in a barrel. He thinks he is gods gift to firefighting, problem is the fire is smarter than he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    I have a rule. I am generally ALWAYS unpleasant.
    Couldn't have said that better myself. Now go home and take your old timers meds.

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    BTW Ryan, that is the TOTAL count, not the number of individuals who have viewed it. The number is likely quite skewed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    The man is a delusional twit. He doesn't have the brain of half a chicken. So inferior is he that it isn't worth the time of day to debate him. Sort of like catching fish in a barrel. He thinks he is gods gift to firefighting, problem is the fire is smarter than he is.
    But I was never completely irresponsible with my personal credit and had to declare bankruptcy. I'll take the trade off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I'm a delusional twit. I don't have the brain of half a chicken. So inferior am I that it isn't worth the time of day to debate me. Sort of like catching fish in a barrel. I think I am gods gift to firefighting, problem is the fire is smarter than I am.
    About time you finally admitted it!

    Honestly, I don't know how you said that about George with a straight face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RspctFrmCalgary View Post
    About time you finally admitted it!

    Honestly, I don't know how you said that about George with a straight face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    BTW Ryan, that is the TOTAL count, not the number of individuals who have viewed it. The number is likely quite skewed.
    No, it's the number of unique IP addresses requesting the page. Basically, its 1,201,192 individual computers viewing the video. I'm Cisco trained.

    I'm just trying to point out that this actually is pretty present in the media, a lot more than I expected. Youtube seems to have it covered, along with a little Twitter here and there, a few news stations reported on it again this morning -- it's not stale news yet.

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    Add to that CNN coverage, FOX news, etc, I can easily see millions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Add to that CNN coverage, FOX news, etc, I can easily see millions.
    It did make the National news here although I think only 1 time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanTurner View Post
    ... I'm Cisco trained...
    Then you should very well know that number is meaningless.

    And if you don't...don't let Cisco know you are boasting about being Cisco trained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    BTW Ryan, that is the TOTAL count, not the number of individuals who have viewed it. The number is likely quite skewed.
    I'm sure it is. The number of actual people is more than likely much higher. For instance, the person in the firehouse says "hey guys look at this." It counts as one but 10 saw it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    But I was never completely irresponsible with my personal credit and had to declare bankruptcy. I'll take the trade off.
    Neither was I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Add to that CNN coverage, FOX news, etc, I can easily see millions.
    Yes, CNN had a 15 minute segment on it that aired on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday at 18:15 EST. Easily several millions have seen it.

    The truly sad part is the majority of Troopers, Sheriffs and other LEOS are decent people, I know many. It only takes a couple of jack-***' with chips on their shoulders to give the entire force a bad name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RspctFrmCalgary View Post
    About time you finally admitted it!

    Honestly, I don't know how you said that about George with a straight face.
    Simple, read his adolescent, condescending, arrogant post. I have this image of a crotchety old man with a cane yelling at the kids as the pass in front of his house. Then he wonders why he gets egged every Halloween.

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