Taxpayer job from the begining...

[EFD840]

Dang, I should surf right on by but I can't help myself...

LA, do you really consider the actions taken in that series of videos to be unnecessarily risky and aggressive? If so, which part?

They opened up the fire building, knocked it down from the relative safety of the sidewalk and then made entry and got on the roof to clean it all up. Geez, that's EXACTLY how my little old 30 man vollie department would have handled it.

How could you have possibly more effectively protected the exposures than extinguishing the fire in the building of origin before it had a chance to extend into the attached structures?!

Do you think that it is possible to attack anything bigger than burnt popcorn in the microwave?

Textbook operation and a great teaching tool about those metal doors. Thanks for posting it FFFred.

[LaFireEducator]

Not going to say anything else.

It really didn't look like they were actually all that aggressive. Tactics seemed pretty reasonable. Doesn't really apply to us anyways as all we have are a few strip malls ... no taxpayers.

Only reason I commented was that I was mentioned .... without ever making a comment on the thread before that.

[Jwarne2001]

[LaFireEducator]

Was attacked. Said what I needed to say. Over. Rodger.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

This is not a crititism of the FDNY ...

But George, tell me what they saved there going offensive vs. defensive.

Operating defensively and simply opening the exposures and holding the fire to the original building accomplished the same thing as going offensive.

Everything in that store was toast .. there was nothing to save.

Judging by my experience in that section of the city, they saved the block.

You have no idea how to fight fires in that type of occupancy so do not even start to try to tell anyone how you would have done it.

[jakesdad]

Not going to say anything else.

It really didn't look like they were actually all that aggressive. Tactics seemed pretty reasonable. Doesn't really apply to us anyways as all we have are a few strip malls ... no taxpayers.

Only reason I commented was that I was mentioned .... without ever making a comment on the thread before that.

So we will add taxpayers to the list of things you seemingly know nothing about.

For once, it would show a level of professionalism we have yet to see from you if you acknowledged your limitations from the onset BEFORE you criticize others, rather than acknowledging them only during what is your all too familair backpedaling.

So you don't have taxpayers. Then why on earth would you think you are equipped to enter a discussion regarding the tactics used to put them out when they are on fire?

Again, this is the root of most, if not all, of your friction on here.

When we discuss EMS or grass on fire, please feel free to enter the discussion since that seems to be what you do.

The problem arises when you are critical of EVERYONE and EVERY TACTIC yet the moment someone calls you to task on your words you retreat by saying that you "don't even have that type of building" or that you "have never done that tactic".

Much like the fireground, know your own limitations. Clearly you have overestimated your abilities and your knowledge.

[LaFireEducator]

Judging by my experience in that section of the city, they saved the block.

You have no idea how to fight fires in that type of occupancy so do not even start to try to tell anyone how you would have done it.

George and Jakes ...

Interestingly enough, I didn't plan on making any comments. However, George, you dragged me into it bringing me up by name. without me making a single post.

I had no plans to make any comments until good ole George decided to use this forum to attack me.

As I stated in my last post, we don't have taxpayers, and never will.

That being said, I'm sure that working a structure in a taxpayer in similar to the operations in a strip mall and Main St. street front 2-3 story side by side residential over commercial structures, which I have dealt with many times. My observations are as a valid as anyone else outside of NYC on this type of structure.

Ya don't want my comments ... Don't mention me in a thread I obviously didn't have enough interest to post in. It's really very simple.

[FireMedic049]

Judging by my experience in that section of the city, they saved the block.

You have no idea how to fight fires in that type of occupancy so do not even start to try to tell anyone how you would have done it.

George and Jakes ...

Interestingly enough, I didn't plan on making any comments. However, George, you dragged me into it bringing me up by name. without me making a single post.

Actually, he didn't even mention you in his post, just where you live.

I had no plans to make any comments until good ole George decided to use this forum to attack me.

In my opinion, it wasn't an attack.

As I stated in my last post, we don't have taxpayers, and never will.

That being said, I'm sure that working a structure in a taxpayer in similar to the operations in a strip mall and Main St. street front 2-3 story side by side residential over commercial structures, which I have dealt with many times. My observations are as a valid as anyone else outside of NYC on this type of structure.

I'll give you that you're entitled to your own opinion and the ability to voice it as much as anyone else outside of NYC, but I'm hestitant to concede that your observations are valid or even as valid as anyone elses.

Ya don't want my comments ... Don't mention me in a thread I obviously didn't have enough interest to post in. It's really very simple.

Right, because you obviously don't have the ability to not take the bait and keep silent.

[SIMP0LMAN]

"As I stated in my last post, we don't have taxpayers, and never will.

That being said, I'm sure that working a structure in a taxpayer in similar to the operations in a strip mall and Main St. street front 2-3 story side by side residential over commercial structures, which I have dealt with many times. My observations are as a valid as anyone else outside of NYC on this type of structure. "

Main St. 2-3 story over commercial space, um isnt that the definition of a tax-payer?

[jonnyirons2]

I was at this job. First due did an amazing job Eng 95 and Lad 36. The store was HUGE, 100 feet deep, it felt like the aisles went for days! Fire appeared to start in the front of the store and was contained to the rolls of TP and the stock up front. Usually these go to 4th or 5th alarms. Our Div Commander did a story on the last 99Cent store fire 40 blocks south of this one, the outcome of that one was not as good.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Judging by my experience in that section of the city, they saved the block.

You have no idea how to fight fires in that type of occupancy so do not even start to try to tell anyone how you would have done it.

George and Jakes ...

Interestingly enough, I didn't plan on making any comments. However, George, you dragged me into it bringing me up by name. without me making a single post.

I had no plans to make any comments until good ole George decided to use this forum to attack me.

As I stated in my last post, we don't have taxpayers, and never will.

That being said, I'm sure that working a structure in a taxpayer in similar to the operations in a strip mall and Main St. street front 2-3 story side by side residential over commercial structures, which I have dealt with many times. My observations are as a valid as anyone else outside of NYC on this type of structure.

Ya don't want my comments ... Don't mention me in a thread I obviously didn't have enough interest to post in. It's really very simple.

A taxpayer is not a strip mall and they are not similar.

There are taxpayers all over the country. NYC taxpayers are not special.

I didn't want your comments. I was making fun of you.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

I was at this job. First due did an amazing job Eng 95 and Lad 36. The store was HUGE, 100 feet deep, it felt like the aisles went for days! Fire appeared to start in the front of the store and was contained to the rolls of TP and the stock up front. Usually these go to 4th or 5th alarms. Our Div Commander did a story on the last 99Cent store fire 40 blocks south of this one, the outcome of that one was not as good.

Dollar stores are friggin' nightmares. There is no limit to what they will sell.

What was the O&C of this fire?

[jonnyirons2]

I didnt get to see the Marshal's as we took up before they arrived. Ill see if I can find out for you. I believe it was accidental in nature as it was reported at 4am, way beyond normal business hours.

[GaiusPaul]

Grad vid, thanks for posting Fred!

We even have these taxpayers in the "old-town" section of the cities around here.

[LaFireEducator]

Main St. 2-3 story over commercial space, um isnt that the definition of a tax-payer

Probably is but was never referred to as a taxpayer in VT. Just not a term we used.

I didn't want your comments. I was making fun of you.

Wow. Thanks for telling me. I never knew.

Again, you decided to mention me - unless of course it was that "other" Bossier Parish we talk so much about. Keep my name out of threads I have no real interest in and I probably won't post in them. We have a ton of dollor stores in our district and first due mutual aid areas, but, we don't have the resources of the FDNY, so this thread really had little to offer me and I had little interest, until you decided that you needed to mention me.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Main St. 2-3 story over commercial space, um isnt that the definition of a tax-payer

Probably is but was never referred to as a taxpayer in VT. Just not a term we used.

I didn't want your comments. I was making fun of you.

Wow. Thanks for telling me. I never knew.

Again, you decided to mention me - unless of course it was that "other" Bossier Parish we talk so much about. Keep my name out of threads I have no real interest in and I probably won't post in them. We have a ton of dollor stores in our district and first due mutual aid areas, but, we don't have the resources of the FDNY, so this thread really had little to offer me and I had little interest, until you decided that you needed to mention me.

Hmmm. In re-reading my post, I never mentioned your name. Oh well.

And you have little to offer this thread.

And to be clear, I never mentioned you.

[ThNozzleman]

Not going to say anything else.

Just stop, you lying troll.

[ThNozzleman]

Ya don't want my comments ... Don't mention me in a thread I obviously didn't have enough interest to post in. It's really very simple.

Really?? Is it that easy? That's all it takes for you to never comment again?
For the love of humanity, everyone please stop mentioning the troll!

[FWDbuff]

Keep my name out of threads I have no real interest in and I probably won't post in them.

How about if YOU stop posting in threads about topics YOU know NOTHING about (pretty much anything having to do with firefighting) and we will stop posting your name anywhere else.......

[LaFireEducator]

Actually, I think I'll post wherever I want.

Originally, it wasn't in this one.