Taxpayer job from the begining...

[LaFireEducator]

Good lord man, seriously, do you believe the absolute BS of the above statement? I bet your citizens would love to see that slogan on the side of your department vehicles.

Of course it doesn't apply.

We have sufficeint volunteer resources supported by a core-fulltime staff, apparatus, water, training and experience to deal withy just about anything the district can throw at us including vehicle and technical rescue.

We rarely have to backoff.

Deep seated commercial fires are the exception. In that case, we know we are outgunned and we do take the option to simply start defensive from the start.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

It does.

So be it.

It most CERTAINLY does.

I tried awhile back to get you guys to ignore this ignoramous. He already got kicked off the IACOJ site for this type of behavior. We need to ignore him to the point he goes away.

I call for a vote.

[LaFireEducator]

So waht type of behavior is this george?

Saying that our lives are worth more than the civilians?

Is that such a horrible thing?

Saying the we weight the chances of success v. the chances of failure, and that if the chances of failure greatly outweigh our chances of sucess, we don't risk our lives?

At what point did I commit to dying for the life of a civilian?

We have the right to make that decsion at every call. And our family expects us to make that decsion.

[LaFireEducator]

What got me kicked off IACOJ was that i dared question the right of career firefighters to have a job at the expense of volunteers.

That I dared say that volunteers in many places are the best and most cost effective way to deliver fire protection and that paid members are a waste of money when volunteers are still demonstrtating they are vaialable and still responding.

And yes, I question the aggesssived traditonal approach and crap like "the building ain't empty until we say it is".

My focus is us coming home. ALL THE TIME.

[FyredUp]

What got me kicked off IACOJ was that i dared question the right of career firefighters to have a job at the expense of volunteers.

That I dared say that volunteers in many places are the best and most cost effective way to deliver fire protection and that paid members are a waste of money when volunteers are still demonstrtating they are vaialable and still responding.

Your rabid hatred of paid firefighters must just tear you up inside, well since you get paid now. Do you tell yourself you are a waste of money?

And yes, I question the aggesssived traditonal approach and crap like "the building ain't empty until we say it is".

And you attack that over and over and over. WHY? Because your point of view is simply so far off the scale that only a damn few, 2 or 3, will side with you on occasion.

My focus is us coming home. ALL THE TIME.

There is only one way to guarantee that...DON'T GO!

I just laugh and laugh and laugh at you...what a mess you are.

[LaFireEducator]

Your rabid hatred of paid firefighters must just tear you up inside, well since you get paid now. Do you tell yourself you are a waste of money?

Honestly, our department could likely operate without any paid personnel.

Our EMS response might suffer a bit.

Our rating would more than likley drop 2 points, possibly 3, as there really isn't any way that any VFD is LA can hit the bonus points for pre-planning with a district as large as ours. A few other areas may suffer a drop as well, but in terms of delivery of fire protection service the impact would be minimal.

There would be significant insurance premuim increases, well beyond the salaries of the FT employees, however.

As far as my job personally, as I have expanded some pubed programs and daytime training has become much more consistent since i have been employed, so the extra time has allowed me to increase internal and external services, but yes, there are still days that I question if this role really needs to be filled in my department by a paid member.

I really beleive that we should be an all volunteer department. Other than the rating points and increased insurance premuims, an all vollie system would work quite well.

[FyredUp]

Your rabid hatred of paid firefighters must just tear you up inside, well since you get paid now. Do you tell yourself you are a waste of money?

Honestly, our department could likely operate without any paid personnel.

Our EMS response might suffer a bit.

Our rating would more than likley drop 2 points, possibly 3, as there really isn't any way that any VFD is LA can hit the bonus points for pre-planning with a district as large as ours. A few other areas may suffer a drop as well, but in terms of delivery of fire protection service the impact would be minimal.

There would be significant insurance premuim increases, well beyond the salaries of the FT employees, however.

As far as my job personally, as I have expanded some pubed programs and daytime training has become much more consistent since i have been employed, so the extra time has allowed me to increase internal and external services, but yes, there are still days that I question if this role really needs to be filled in my department by a paid member.

I really beleive that we should be an all volunteer department. Other than the rating points and increased insurance premuims, an all vollie system would work quite well.

Again, laughing at you try to spin how your FD should be all volly and yet you justify your own job. Ridiculous and massively, off the scale hypocritical. AND, still I am not surprised in the least by your behavior.

[Rescue101]

Why does anyone(particularly you LA)feel the need to criticise ANY part of this textbook,coordinated fire attack by the members of FDNY?This is a bread and butter job,one they do often,captured here on film for our BENEFIT and enjoyment. And a DAMN nice job,if I do say so myself. Try one of those security shutters sometime,they're a PITA. This was a NICE job,done right,start to finish.One to LEARN from, even if you live in the sticks(or the bayou). Way to go guys,T.C.

[slackjawedyokel]

I dont want to pile on , but good lord La ----- did you re-read that statement ? Sounded pretty gutless to me.

[LaFireEducator]

Why does anyone(particularly you LA)feel the need to criticise ANY part of this textbook,coordinated fire attack by the members of FDNY?This is a bread and butter job,one they do often,captured here on film for our BENEFIT and enjoyment. And a DAMN nice job,if I do say so myself. Try one of those security shutters sometime,they're a PITA. This was a NICE job,done right,start to finish.One to LEARN from, even if you live in the sticks(or the bayou). Way to go guys,T.C.

I never criticized them. I said, after being dragged in and having my department insulted, that it was little too offensive for my taste.

Again, laughing at you try to spin how your FD should be all volly and yet you justify your own job. Ridiculous and massively, off the scale hypocritical. AND, still I am not surprised in the least by your behavior.

If they decided tomorrow that they were going to go all-volunteer that would be fine. Could easily go back to the ambo and make more money.

I don't have to justify my job. The powers that be decided that the position was needed and I was asked to take it. I was doing 75% of the pubed I do now on my own time (or as a part-time employee) before I was hired. If they decided tomorrow they didn't need me I would simply go back to doing pubed as a vollie/part-time employee. The training portion would just shift back to the Deputy Chief, which would make his job a lot tougher.

[LaFireEducator]

I dont want to pile on , but good lord La ----- did you re-read that statement ? Sounded pretty gutless to me.

No problem.

Interpret it however ya want. We decide what we do on the fireground. The only obligation we have is to our families to return from the call alive and unhurt.

[FyredUp]

Why does anyone(particularly you LA)feel the need to criticise ANY part of this textbook,coordinated fire attack by the members of FDNY?This is a bread and butter job,one they do often,captured here on film for our BENEFIT and enjoyment. And a DAMN nice job,if I do say so myself. Try one of those security shutters sometime,they're a PITA. This was a NICE job,done right,start to finish.One to LEARN from, even if you live in the sticks(or the bayou). Way to go guys,T.C.

I never criticized them. I said, after being dragged in and having my department insulted, that it was little too offensive for my taste.

Um, at the very least you questioned the validity of their tactics. At best you criticized their tactics.


Again, laughing at you try to spin how your FD should be all volly and yet you justify your own job. Ridiculous and massively, off the scale hypocritical. AND, still I am not surprised in the least by your behavior.

If they decided tomorrow that they were going to go all-volunteer that would be fine. Could easily go back to the ambo and make more money.

BULL *****...I am calling you on this. Are you independently wealthy? Seriously, you left a higher paying job to become a paid fire educator. REALLY?? Is your ego and need to call yourself a paid firefighter so big that you did this for the status? You are so full of crap and yourself if you expect anyone here to believe this latest line.

I don't have to justify my job. The powers that be decided that the position was needed and I was asked to take it. I was doing 75% of the pubed I do now on my own time (or as a part-time employee) before I was hired. If they decided tomorrow they didn't need me I would simply go back to doing pubed as a vollie/part-time employee. The training portion would just shift back to the Deputy Chief, which would make his job a lot tougher.


Once again I am simply sitting here laughing my *** off at you. You are such a hypocrite and so 2 faced that I am amazed that you remember a damn thing you have ever said here. You were doing the job for free as a volly and the chief decided to pay you. Yeah, sure, umm, okay, whatever. You whine and wail and **** and moan about the destruction of the volunteer base and then what do you do? Become one of those you crybaby about. BRILLIANT!! Yeah, you would say "No thank you, I don't really need to earn a living and pay my bills...Please let me go back to volunteer status. Oh Please Chief." Excuses, BS and story telling, that's all you have.

Just once again, laughing at your unbelievable load of crap.

[LaFireEducator]

BULL *****...I am calling you on this. Are you independently wealthy? Seriously, you left a higher paying job to become a paid fire educator. REALLY?? Is your ego and need to call yourself a paid firefighter so big that you did this for the status? You are so full of crap and yourself if you expect anyone here to believe this latest line.

Nope. Better retirement. After 2 years, better sick days and vacation time. Much closer to home. Fewer hours. More office time and less street time so less fatigue. Home every night. And I enjoy doing pubed. Having to fight fires now and again sucks though. my wife actually wanted me to take the job more than I did. I really enjoyed doing this as a volunteer more.

In the long run the benefits and retirement will catch up with the pay reduction the first 3-4 years.


Um, at the very least you questioned the validity of their tactics. At best you criticized their tactics

So the FDNY is always right because .... They are the FDNY? Sorry but we all have the right to say to aggressive/not aggressive enough for our own tastes irregardless of who the department is.

[RFD21C]

"Having to fight fires now and again sucks though. "
posted by LAFireEducator

WOW, Did you really just say that on a forum for firefighting tactics!! Well that pretty much sums it up as to why you think the way you do.

Hello my name is LaFireEducator and i do NOT like going to fire!

[LaFireEducator]

As my primary job in the department is to prevent fires, as the department's public educator, going to a fire means I have failed in my primary role.

The fact is anytime we as a service go to a fire, we have failed to educate and we have failed in our primary role - prevention.

And besides, I'm getting too damn old for this crap.

[FyredUp]

As my primary job in the department is to prevent fires, as the department's public educator, going to a fire means I have failed in my primary role.

The fact is anytime we as a service go to a fire, we have failed to educate and we have failed in our primary role - prevention.

And besides, I'm getting too damn old for this crap.

Age has nothing to do with it in your case. Fortitude, courage, a will to perform, actually wanting to do the job, knowing there will be times that you will risk your life in an attempt to rescue those you have sworn to serve are all the things you either lost or more likely never had. You have no feel for the job, no passion...to you it is nothing more than a paycheck that happens to have the name of the fire dpeartment at the top. I actually feel sorry for you. It must be such a hollow existence.

[LaFireEducator]

No. I still love the fire service, but ........

A fire means someone is losing something.

A vehicle. A home. Contents in a shed.

Honestly, how can you, or anyone say, that they "enjoy" going to a fire.

It would be the best job in the world if we never rolled to another fire.

[LaFireEducator]

So for 30 years I did the job as a volunteer for .. the paycheck?

Stick to firefighting as more than likely you make a much better firefighter than a psychologist.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

So waht type of behavior is this george?

Saying that our lives are worth more than the civilians?

Is that such a horrible thing?

Saying the we weight the chances of success v. the chances of failure, and that if the chances of failure greatly outweigh our chances of sucess, we don't risk our lives?

At what point did I commit to dying for the life of a civilian?

We have the right to make that decsion at every call. And our family expects us to make that decsion.

A behavior known as cowardice.

Your attitude is far better suited for a career at WalMart.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

No. I still love the fire service, but ........

A fire means someone is losing something.

A vehicle. A home. Contents in a shed.

Honestly, how can you, or anyone say, that they "enjoy" going to a fire.

It would be the best job in the world if we never rolled to another fire.

The same way a surgeon can enjoy removing a cancerous tumor from a patient. Using his education, training experience and skills for good. Sometimes that takes unselfish courage. Not recklessness, but courage.

I understand that you do not understand that word.