Taxpayer job from the begining...

[FFFRED]

Good footage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ3o7...e=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsWdY...e=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1ItJ...e=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePfAW...e=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOHfy...e=channel_page


FTM-PTB

[mmagette]

nice footage. I never realized how many people FDNY put on scene at a fire. That must have been 60 firemen or so. Is that normal?

[FFFRED]

nice footage. I never realized how many people FDNY put on scene at a fire. That must have been 60 firemen or so. Is that normal?

4 Engines (16-20 Firemen +4 Officers)
3 Ladders (15 Firemen's Helpers +3 officers, includes FAST Truck)
1 Squad (5 Junior Varsity Buffs and an officer)
1 Rescue (5 More Buffs and an officer)
2 Bn. Chiefs (each with an aide)
1 Deputy with his aide
1 RAC unit (water, cold towels...etc.)

I think this box went to a second alarm which means more guys and big red trucks.

FTM-PTB

[confire]

1 Squad (5 Junior Varsity Buffs and an officer)
1 Rescue (5 More Buffs and an officer)

Can you explain what these units are and what they do? I’m unfamiliar with anything like that.

[FDAIC485]

Can you explain what these units are and what they do? I’m unfamiliar with anything like that.

I'm not on FDNY. However, it appears as though Fred is proud to be on the line putting the wet stuff on the red stuff.

[MG3610]

Its a crack on rescue and squad guys. A DC from Newark NJ that taught a class I was in the other day said they tell their buddies who get on rescue that its a shame they quit the fire department, and that they are truckies who are afraid of heights.

[FWDbuff]

1 Squad (5 Junior Varsity Buffs and an officer)
1 Rescue (5 More Buffs and an officer)

C'mon fred, why do you have to insult us buffs like that?

Coincidentally, whenever my best friend (who is at Squad 18, and was a buff in his younger years) breaks my ball$ about being a "paste-eater" I tell him "I would rather be a buff than on a "wanna-be rescue company."

[DeputyChiefGonzo]

The Safety Sallies and Susans will be apoplectic when they look at these videos!

[BlitzfireSolo]

Thanks, FFFRED - great footage. It's pretty rare to see all of the initial stages of a job captured on video, especially pre-arrival.

[VinnieB]

Really good video of the brothers. I for one do not like those 99 cent garbage dumps........I always take the extra, extra time at these jobs. All that stock and some of it doesn't mix well with water......soap, detergents, and papers come to mind....makes it a pain to push in.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

The Safety Sallies and Susans will be apoplectic when they look at these videos!

As well they should. After all, this was an unoccuppied store with nothing but stuff in it. There was no life hazard. All they did was put the fire fighters in danger by making them work on the building and go inside like that.

If this were in Boosier Parish...

[len1582]

Good footage. It's not to often you get to see a job from the very beginning.

[lexfd5]

Nice job. It is amazing at what a properly staffed companies can do.

My six year old would like to know the cause of the fire.

[confire]

Are those buffs or real firefighters getting midlevel on that steel door Regardless very impressive.

I would guess few departments could put that kind of manpower on scene that quickly.

[erik3911]

Nice agressive tactics, way to get the job done brothers.

[NathanWert]

It probably would have taken us almost 30 minutes to get that many people at a fire scene.

[LaFireEducator]

As well they should. After all, this was an unoccuppied store with nothing but stuff in it. There was no life hazard. All they did was put the fire fighters in danger by making them work on the building and go inside like that.

If this were in Boosier Parish...

Another thread where I never even posted and got mentioned.

Ya know George, you really have to stop this hero worshipping stuff.

And yes, an unoccupied commercial that was clearly gone from the outset. Work defensive. Open up the exposures and contain the fire. It's really all very simple. Reduce the chance of injury as there is nothing to save in the fire structure.

Of course, between us and avaialble mutual aid, we could probably muster 50% of the manpower they did, so it simply makes sense to lay back and risk nothing to save nothing.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

As well they should. After all, this was an unoccuppied store with nothing but stuff in it. There was no life hazard. All they did was put the fire fighters in danger by making them work on the building and go inside like that.

If this were in Boosier Parish...

Another thread where I never even posted and got mentioned.

Ya know George, you really have to stop this hero worshipping stuff.

And yes, an unoccupied commercial that was clearly gone from the outset. Work defensive. Open up the exposures and contain the fire. It's really all very simple. Reduce the chance of injury as there is nothing to save in the fire structure.

Of course, between us and avaialble mutual aid, we could probably muster 50% of the manpower they did, so it simply makes sense to lay back and risk nothing to save nothing.

Hero? You're an insult to the word.

Save nothing is probably what you do on a regular basis.

[LaFireEducator]

This is not a crititism of the FDNY ...

But George, tell me what they saved there going offensive vs. defensive.

Operating defensively and simply opening the exposures and holding the fire to the original building accomplished the same thing as going offensive.

Everything in that store was toast .. there was nothing to save.

[Milo76]

This is not a crititism of the FDNY ...

But George, tell me what they saved there going offensive vs. defensive.

Operating defensively and simply opening the exposures and holding the fire to the original building accomplished the same thing as going offensive.

Everything in that store was toast .. there was nothing to save.

They may have saved alot it that store and they cared about the rest of the block. It sure looks like they started out defensive and then went inside after they knocked the fire down. I didn't see anything wrong, unsafe or life threatening.