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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    At least we CAN ask him. Becuase he is ALIVE. If he hadnt used the body slide and just jumped, his life, not his career, would probably be over.
    That is very true; the body slide did save his life there is no doubt about that. And it is a good technique and has saved firefighters. Just not the best if you can't afford a system than fine use what you have access too, as long as you have trained o it. I was just making the point there is a lot better ways out there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    And NO WHERE in my post did I say the body slide was preferable to the engineered system.I SAID,IN MY AREA,either one would work.And EITHER is preferable to the other option.I'd love to have the chance to take with FF Cool as I have an idea he could offer a lot more insight on that day than just a failed escape "system".Very few systems here,but we're working on it as funds become available. T.C.
    I was not trying to start anything with you or anyone else for that matter I was just saying that IMO and most of the country a system that is attached to you and doesn't rely on you holding you body weight plus the weight of your gear on your wet gloved hands is a lot safer. Will they both work for sure they will, use what you have and are comfortable with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    umm... he's alive isn't he? Not the preferred outcome, but given the situation I'd say its not to shabby.

    and to preempt your response, if you want to disregard the body slide technique because of this "failure", you better get rid of every piece of equipment in the firehouse because it's failed before.
    Yes he is alive thank god. I don't want to disregard the body slid technique either I never said that. I think it can save my life or your life. If that is all you can afford or you dept can then great I would rather have something than nothing at all. And go listen to FF cool's interview on through the smoke he said that the body slide technique is not good enough any more. That is someone who have more experience than I would say most of us have. Especially with bail out and the body slide. IMO the body slide is still good if thatís all you have but all I am trying to say there is bigger and better things out there that are a lot safer to use. If you don't agree that is fine we are all allowed our own opinions.
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    I would have to strong agree with your statement. The way I look at it is that if I have to spend $200-300 for a system that I'm more familiar with and know I can use better, (I hope) my life is worth spending the extra money and hopefully saving myself if I ever get into the situation in which I may need to use it.
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    We're predominately 1-2 story buildings.A few 3-4(very few).We have a few systems the crews bought for themselves. There has been major budget cuts in town and we can only fund a couple things outside of that a year. As it sits now, the "bailout systems"is scheduled for funding in NEXT years budget.Until then we'll keep using what we have.I've practiced long enough with the wrap that I know I can get out of any of OUR buildings with it. Ideal it isn't.But it beats the alternative.If I do MY job CORRECTLY,hopefully we'll never have to find out. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    If I do MY job CORRECTLY,hopefully we'll never have to find out. T.C.
    Its very similar to a wildland shelter, you train to use it but hope that you never have to, BUT if you do have to use it your very thankful that you had it.
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    Hehe,you're right.My commentary was more slanted toward my command position,I don't spend much time inside anymore.But if I do my job RIGHT,it should lessen the chances our personnel are exposed to this possibility. I DO want them to be proficent in the procedure if needed. T.C.

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    Body belay is all fine and well in a training setting, next time you practice it (you practice it regularly right?) install a window with glass and a sash to clear, and have a guy there with a roofing torch providing your motivation...
    Same goes for any idea of tying knots, driving tools into floors, or using a system that is not hands free and already attached to your person (not your scba, or a caribeaner that needs to be clipped to you before deploying). What ever system you are considering it has to be on you all the time and has to be able to hold you hands free once you are on rope.
    While these systems are being shoved down our throats we seem to be losing sight of two things, first: Putting out the fire makes everything better. and secondly: Know your job, know your enemy... the goal is to not have to jump out the window, monitor conditions and monitor fireground operations and don't over extend yourself, know your limitations, and respect the enemy.

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    I couldn't agree more.Yet when you say it publicly(RM),bad things happen. T.C.
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    OK guys, based off what I'm looking to get which is a yates kevlar escape belt, 50 feet of fire resistive rope, 2 biners, a TFS bailout bag, crosby hook. I will put the bag in my pocket with the hook hanging out so when i have to deploy, i can reach in grab my hook, throw the bag out the window, do 3 wraps on my biner, hook into my belt, and go out. Does anyone see anything wrong with that specific system, or a better way to do it that will cost me less?
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    There is no time for taking turns on anything, if you have the time to tie knots and wrap a beiner you probably don't need to jump out the window.

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    Everything will be pre-tired, i wont have to tie knots or wrap 3 times, it'll all be ready to go
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfTL41 View Post
    There is no time for taking turns on anything, if you have the time to tie knots and wrap a beiner you probably don't need to jump out the window.
    Excellent point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireman605 View Post
    Everything will be pre-tired, i wont have to tie knots or wrap 3 times, it'll all be ready to go
    I will try and take some pic's of my system tomorrow at work. It is 50ft of 8mm sterling bailout rope. With a CMC escape artest, crosby hook, rock-n-rescue bag, all on a gut belt pre rigged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giweff View Post
    I will try and take some pic's of my system tomorrow at work. It is 50ft of 8mm sterling bailout rope. With a CMC escape artest, crosby hook, rock-n-rescue bag, all on a gut belt pre rigged.
    That would be great, I bought mine yesterday. 50 feet of 7.5mm rope, crosby hook, yates kevlar escape belt, tfs bailout bag, and I have the biners. All I could afford at this time, may look into a handsfree decending device when I have the money.
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    [QUOTE

    What I am advocating is taking an honest look at what events would cause you to exit out of a window in the first place and how much time you will actually have to use whatever system you choose and under what conditions you will be deploying that system.[/QUOTE]

    I def AGREE w/ this statement. Sometimes its hard to make a decision on what equipment to purchase that may be used to save your life someday. I have personally found that searching for personal equipment for our job is basically trial & error. Ive tried dif formations of dif systems & I cant even tell you how much its cost, but price isnt important when its your life. When you get a bail out system you cant just stuff it in your pocket & think your ok, practice is what makes it work. So whatever you decide on, dont become complacent.

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    here they are if I can get them to work.


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    Ok here goes again.
    so this didn't work either it I can figure it out I will get them up today. Sorry I have never put up pics on here.
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    haha ya, i didnt get the pics in either post. im not 100% myself on how to post pics. whenever ya get em up that would be great.
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    Check the size.If they don't fit FH's "mini" format,they won't upload. T.C.

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