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    Does your dept have duty nights (ie. certain members are expected to respond on certain nights of the week) or is your dept. set-up so that who ever is around comes to calls? Or is there any type minimum number or percentages of calls your suppose to make? That makes a big difference on weather or not he has a case.

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    Not being a smart-*** or trying to be mean when I say this, so please don't take it that way....

    When you say you are done with it, I'm reading that as you quit.

    If you are done with it, then let it go. I understand it ****ed you off enough to quit, but staying mad when you no longer have involvment in the dept. just drags out the hurt feelings. Some folks, no matter the rank, are just buttheads. Maybe they were wrong, maybe you were wrong. I don't know, I only heard your side of the story.

    In the end ( since you quit, this is the end ) leave all the BS that ****ed you off at the firehouse, don't take it with you.
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    First of all, I applaud you for making the correct decision in when you have consumed alcohol, you placed yourself out of service, and did not respond to emergencies. Does not matter if you have had one drink or ten, the minute alcohol passes your lips, use the pilot's mantra: "Eight hours from the bottle to the throttle."

    I do not know what your Chief's problem is, no offense to you, but I rather suspect there is more to the story here than is being relayed. THAT being said, I have said THIS little gem many, many times before here on the FH.com forums: "When the volunteer fire company pays my mortgage, the volunteer fire company may mandate when I will and will not respond."

    As you have 29 years in your organization, perhaps your Chief depends on you for your experience and leadership, or for a dependable Driver/Operator? I don't know, but with 19+ years in myself, I would have taken the Chief into the office, and told him to stick his attitude up his ***, and if wanted to do something about THAT to press formal Department charges against me, that I would fight him to the death over the charges and make sure that the Board of Directors knew that he wanted me to respond after having consumed alcohol. Bottom line, I would not have quit. Perhaps you quit over this and other issues?

    Whatever be it, good luck to you.
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    Another well stated response from FWD....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    First of all, I applaud you for making the correct decision in when you have consumed alcohol, you placed yourself out of service, and did not respond to emergencies. Does not matter if you have had one drink or ten, the minute alcohol passes your lips, use the pilot's mantra: "Eight hours from the bottle to the throttle."

    I do not know what your Chief's problem is, no offense to you, but I rather suspect there is more to the story here than is being relayed. THAT being said, I have said THIS little gem many, many times before here on the FH.com forums: "When the volunteer fire company pays my mortgage, the volunteer fire company may mandate when I will and will not respond."

    As you have 29 years in your organization, perhaps your Chief depends on you for your experience and leadership, or for a dependable Driver/Operator? I don't know, but with 19+ years in myself, I would have taken the Chief into the office, and told him to stick his attitude up his ***, and if wanted to do something about THAT to press formal Department charges against me, that I would fight him to the death over the charges and make sure that the Board of Directors knew that he wanted me to respond after having consumed alcohol. Bottom line, I would not have quit. Perhaps you quit over this and other issues?

    Whatever be it, good luck to you.
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    As long as you were upholding your end of the deal, example making the correct % of calls and training then I say that the Chief does not have a leg to stand on. But...............

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    There seems to be something else going on here if you are quitting over this issue. As long as you are meeting your obligations as far as number of calls, standing duty, training or whatever your department has in place, there shouldn't be an issue. I would let him know that you are meeting your requirement and that everybody needs some time to themselves and their family.

    I had people question me at my old department. They got so used to me coming out and getting the engine out that they would blame me when it failed. I had to point out that there were 75 other people who didn't show up either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eng34FF View Post
    There seems to be something else going on here if you are quitting over this issue. As long as you are meeting your obligations as far as number of calls, standing duty, training or whatever your department has in place, there shouldn't be an issue. I would let him know that you are meeting your requirement and that everybody needs some time to themselves and their family.

    I had people question me at my old department. They got so used to me coming out and getting the engine out that they would blame me when it failed. I had to point out that there were 75 other people who didn't show up either.
    i get this a little,mabey not the blame game but the where were you i was counting on you.
    i think i only missed a handfull of calles last year,so they get used to you being there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pstroke1 View Post
    I have been with my volunteer dept for 29 years. As of last night i am done with it but i have a question what others dept think. I quit because of an attack from the chief about my personal time. If i go have a drink i cant respond to calls. and i do not.
    So my question is if i go have a drink and mis a call should this be any of there business? I have had previous issues with him over it. And my stand is that it is not his business unless i respond after i have been drinking.

    So what are some of the stands on this in your dept?
    My stand is not going to be what you want to hear.

    You quit, now man up, shut up, and let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pstroke1 View Post
    But yes i did quit not somthing i would have done if i wouldn't have let him push my buttons. He had his mind made up , that i was gone one way or the other if i hadn't quit he would have terminated me anyway.
    Ok, I'll play your silly game, Then why in the hell are you asking for advice? I think now I DO agree with FyredUp- Man the f*ck up, and close your piehole...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pstroke1 View Post
    Hey thanks for all the replys. I have been gone on vacation.
    There are issues here. We are not required to have a certain number of calls. Just 50% of the meetings and i have made that. there is alot of us that work shift work at our normal jobs. Some of that is 12 hour shifts so that cuts down on the time i can respond because of the work sleep thing. A large percentage of our calls are medical i do not do the medical and we are not required to do medical. we have not had alot of fire and auto ext. since the first of the year i think about 10-15 calls if that.
    He has a personal issue with me and has for a long time. before he was chief. some have said that he feels threatend by me because i could have his job.(dont want it)I am not a yes man and do everything as he says it should be done. (not an EMT)
    But yes i did quit not somthing i would have done if i wouldn't have let him push my buttons. He had his mind made up , that i was gone one way or the other if i hadn't quit he would have terminated me anyway.
    Thanks again for all the replys
    Look, let me spell this out for you. Clearly, directly to the point. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED BECAUSE YOU QUIT!! As soon as you quit all bets were off. You can walk around for ever whining about what might have happened and the truth is you will NEVER know if it would of happened because you QUIT.

    When you quit you removed yourself from any resolution. You became a non-entity.

    Now you have 2 choices, be a man and shut up about it and move on, or go back, sit down with the chief and see what's what. Frankly, I would have done that before I quit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Now you have 2 choices, be a man and shut up about it and move on, or go back, sit down with the chief and see what's what. Frankly, I would have done that before I quit.
    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    with 19+ years in myself, I would have taken the Chief into the office, and told him to stick his attitude up his ***, and if wanted to do something about THAT to press formal Department charges against me, that I would fight him to the death over the charges
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    Quote Originally Posted by pstroke1 View Post
    Have you got ****ed and did somthing you wish you hadn't later on?
    Sounds like you want back in to the department, and are having serious second thoughts about your decision. Go put your big girl pants on, walk in to the station and work out your differences with the chief. That is the only thing that is going to resolve your problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pstroke1 View Post
    Ok First off i was not whining about it . More of a vent and to see what options i had. I did not want to give it up. Have you got ****ed and did somthing you wish you hadn't later on?
    Dude, I have been so angry at times at my Chief and the entire FD that I wanted to explode, but I never quit, and I never took a leave of absence. I always went to the source of my issue and had it out with them. Most often in a civil conversation, sometimes in a heated conversation, but I never let anyone drive me out if I didn't want to go.

    Frankly, I haven't a single clue what you hope to accomplish with this topic. YOU QUIT, in my mind it is case closed. You took the easy route and now you realize you F##KED yourself and you are seeking validation for what you did, or perhaps looking for advice on how to fix it.

    I told you what to do. Either man up, shut up, and move on, or grow a pair and go back and calmly talk to the chief and find out what the problem is. Either way it's gonna be hard to live this down, one way you look like a spoiled brat and the other you look like a doofus.

    The choice is yours...let us know how it works out for you. Although I can guess which route you will take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pstroke1 View Post
    Ok First off i was not whining about it . More of a vent and to see what options i had. I did not want to give it up. Have you got ****ed and did somthing you wish you hadn't later on?
    You dont have any options, you quit, remember?
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    Our Department policy is: If you have any alcohol, your out of service for 8 hours, no matter the amount. No alcohol may be either brought into the firehouse nor consumed on fire district property without prior written autorization from the fire district (this is for sanctioned fire company social events) nor can you consume any alcohol at any sanctioned fire company events held off fire district property without prior authorization.

    Some of the members sqawked when the policy was issued, but the fire distict remained firm and to this day the policy is enforced to the "t".

    I believe that the policies creation was two-fold; for liaibility reasons and perception by the public. When you think if it, it makes sense. You drink, stay home and enjoy yourself.

    Anyhow, in a nutshell thats our departments policy.
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    Hey, You want back in? Get back in. Then you can do your political manuvering. Can't do it if your not there. BUT, if you stay out, do not go around bad mouthing the department. It will look bad on you more than the department. Remember also that there are a lot of new requirements coming down the pipe from the states and the feds. If a procedure change is the issue, it could be related to all the new regulations flooding the fire service. Even we have had trouble with changing, (me-20 years in) but this is what is happening.

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    I do not responed if i have had anything to drink. never have never will. He made a personal attack on me with what i do on my own time. We have one member that takes his pager to the bar and nothing has been said. (he is buddys with the chief) what is the def. of volunteer? If i go have a drink it is none of his business or what ever else i am doing. Yes i did quit i can't re apply for 6 months. He used the drinking thing to set me off witch it did. I have more time than he does and could have his job if i wanted it and he knows it. never have challenged him or do i want to. I have caught him in lies.
    I know i am going to get the your just whinning or you need to man up.( what ever) I did quit because i was ****ed my mistake. But the do not have the right to tell me what to do on my off time. wheni am meeting the guidline that are set in our bylaws.
    i guess what my question is does the the department have the right to tell you what you can do on your off time?



    thanks for letting me rant for a min.
    and to sit down with this guy would probaly result in a fist fight on his part because he dont want to hear anything but his own voice.

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    Ok, I wasn't going to repond to this anymore, but since you posted this, I gotta throw more hand grenades at you.


    Quote Originally Posted by pstroke1 View Post
    I do not responed if i have had anything to drink. never have never will. He made a personal attack on me with what i do on my own time. Then why havn't you brought him up on Departmental Charged in front of the Board of Directors? We have one member that takes his pager to the bar and nothing has been said. (he is buddys with the chief) what is the def. of volunteer? If i go have a drink it is none of his business or what ever else i am doing. Yes i did quit i can't re apply for 6 months. He used the drinking thing to set me off witch it did. If you let it get to you then that's your problem. I have more time than he does and could have his job if i wanted it and he knows it. never have challenged him or do i want to. Then why did you even bring up that fact? I have caught him in lies. Again, why have formal charges not been brought against him?
    I know i am going to get the your just whinning or you need to man up.( what ever) I did quit because i was ****ed my mistake. But the do not have the right to tell me what to do on my off time. wheni am meeting the guidline that are set in our bylaws. (HERE IS THE SMOKING GUN) i guess what my question is does the the department have the right to tell you what you can do on your off time? No they most certainly do not!


    thanks for letting me rant for a min.
    and to sit down with this guy would probaly result in a fist fight on his part because he dont want to hear anything but his own voice.
    Ok, since you brought up your bylaws, and that you claim to be abiding by them, once again, I question why you have not pressed formal charges against the Chief for harassment?

    And I have said it before and I am saying it again, methinks we are not getting the whole story here. And the story that we have mentiones alcohol quite a bit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pstroke1 View Post
    and to sit down with this guy would probaly result in a fist fight on his part because he dont want to hear anything but his own voice.
    You need to start looking at little little like his (alleged) violent behavior as opportunities, not setbacks. You sit down with him, attempt a civil conversation, but DO NOT PROVOKE HIM. He hits you, you DO NOT hit him back, call the police. His is charged with assault, and you go to your trustees and complain about a violent chief who attacked you for no reason. Heck, even call a few news agencies after he is arrested, make it interesting. Problem solved, chief gone.

    On the flip side, if he doesn't attack you, you got to have your conversation with him. If it is like talking to a wall, then as FWDbuff said, go to your trustees and complain like mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pstroke1 View Post
    I do not responed if i have had anything to drink. never have never will.Good for you. That puts you in the majority of volunteers across the nation. Did you expect a pat on the back for doing the right thing? He made a personal attack on me with what i do on my own time. And you ran away and quit instead of standing up for your rights. Then came here and ****ed and moaned about what happened to you. We have one member that takes his pager to the bar and nothing has been said. (he is buddys with the chief) Did you bring that up to the chief? Has anyone filed a complaint? If not officially it never happened. what is the def. of volunteer? If i go have a drink it is none of his business or what ever else i am doing. It only becomes the fire departments business IF you are breaking the law or if you respond drunk or high. I have told my chief that as soon as they pay my mortgage I will stop teaching on meeting and training nights and stop taking over time when it pops up. Yes i did quit i can't re apply for 6 months. Great move, run away and then bitch about what happened on a national forum. At least you had enough class not to mention the FD like so many do. He used the drinking thing to set me off witch it did. Grow up. Don't let people push your buttons and maybe you won't make rash decisions you regret later. I have more time than he does and could have his job if i wanted it and he knows it. never have challenged him or do i want to. Then what is the point in bringing this up? Sounds like sour grapes to me. I have caught him in lies. If you didn't follow up on those lies then they never happened. You see how that works? following the chain of command even if it leads outside the FD.

    I know i am going to get the your just whinning or you need to man up.( what ever) Yep you are, you let your immaturity and temper tantrum make a decision you regret. Now you come here expecting people to say golly tough break. Well, sorry no. You F##Ked up and now are wondering how to make it all go away. I did quit because i was ****ed my mistake. But the do not have the right to tell me what to do on my off time. wheni am meeting the guidline that are set in our bylaws. True enough, too bad you didn't realize that the night you quit.
    i guess what my question is does the the department have the right to tell you what you can do on your off time? Within limits, yes, they can. They can tell you you can't where FD clothing into the bar. They can tell you not to respond if you have been drinking. They can drop you like a stinking turd if you use illegal drugs. So within specific parameters they can tell you what to do off duty.



    thanks for letting me rant for a min. Which in reality is all you are doing. You really don't want answers you want someone to agree with you and say how badly you got screwed. Sorry I ain't playing that game for you because no matter how you play it...YOU QUIT.

    and to sit down with this guy would probaly result in a fist fight on his part because he dont want to hear anything but his own voice. Seriously, what the hell do you want from people here? You ask what to do and several have told you what to do. Go back and talk to the chief about the issues. If you seriously believe he will assault you have some other firefighter or officer there to observe. Have a board member there to observe. I think you are a drama queen...looking for attention and sympathy.
    Either do something about the situation or shut the hell up about it.

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    This has been one of those threads that you read and get a good chuckle out of it. I just love the 2nd grade bs.

    The only thing I can say is buff and fyred have hit the nail on the head. Good job guys.

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