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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    How many tourists will come if crime is rampant, the businesses, hotels and attarcions are closed or destryoed due to fire, or if the community that depends on tourism has to cut back on EMS response?...
    Living in a tourist town for 40 years. Not one of them has EVER asked about EMS and/or FD response....until it was needed by them. And then, they never cared about it's cost, just that it was there.

    They care much more about what the area looks like, is it clean, is their nice landscaping, etc.


    Tourists do not decide to visit a destination based on EMS and/or FD.


    Think about it, in your travels to the islands....was the FD/EMS response what made you go/not go there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Living in a tourist town for 40 years. Not one of them has EVER asked about EMS and/or FD response....until it was needed by them. And then, they never cared about it's cost, just that it was there.

    They care much more about what the area looks like, is it clean, is their nice landscaping, etc.


    Tourists do not decide to visit a destination based on EMS and/or FD.


    Think about it, in your travels to the islands....was the FD/EMS response what made you go/not go there?
    Everyone is lumping Fire and EMS together and leaving out PD. They all play an inter-related role IMHO.

    There is a reason NYC was in the sh*tter for the better part of the 1970s, 80s and early 90s. It was largely because of poor city services that created conditions that kept tourists from wanting to visit. (there were other inital poltical decisions and movements that played into white flight...etc. but the aftermath was dragged on by lack of investment in city services.)

    The Ghettos were so bad that they were a vacuum that drew so much of the PD, Fire and EMS services that the "nice" parts of town also fell victim to crime and sh*t conditions.

    While people don't decide on where to visit based on the municipal services, they do based on the conditions that are a result of those services.

    If someone visits a place and they get mugged, they call for an ambulance and it takes 30 mintues, they see piles and piles of uncollected garbage and there are burnt out shells of buildings all around and the FD is stretched to the limit, I'm sure they will tell all their friends to forgo a vist to this forsaken dump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Let's put it this way. Every time there is a proposed cut you hear the same thing. It will create unsafe conditions and cost lives. Problem is when the cuts happen and those things don't happen.
    I guess we're lucky. As long ago as 2003, we said that the fire department in my small town needed two engine companies of three firefighters each to protect the city. At the time, we weren't even a real fire department -- just a division of a Dept. of Public Safety. Today, we're a fire department and running two companies -- but with a minimum of two on each rig. It's progress. And we're getting to our goal.

    However, money got a little tight in the budget last month. The response was to brown out an engine company. Our Local protested the move and cited the dangerous condition that would exist -- only one engine company in a town of 16,000 with uncertain volunteer response and delayed mutual aid. After some back and forth, the mayor and fire chief sat down with our president. They realized the goof and moved money around to continue staffing two companies. City leaders have since expressed support for expanding our minimum staffing to three per company.

    A MERE THREE DAYS after this resolution was reached and the second company was restored, we had an apartment fire with multiple patients at the same time one of the companies was on a medical run at the opposite end of the city. When we protested the closures, it wasn't because we were grandstanding or trying to get money for ourselves. It was because as professionals, we deemed it a risk to ourselves and to the people.

    We were right. Had the second company not been available to respond and get a quick knock-down on the fire, the result would have been dramatically different. The lives of the people in the 15 attached apartments would have been at increased risk. The lives of the lay people who had attempted to the put the fire out might have been at grave risk. For certain, the property loss would have been greater. These aren't hypotheticals. This is the real deal -- not in some big city like NYC, but in small town Pleasantville, America.

    Fortunately, I think the leaders of our city realize that our intentions were sincere then and in every other instance we've brought a safety related problem to light. We're honest and they believe us. That's a relationship I hope we can maintain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cozmosis View Post
    This is the real deal -- not in some big city like NYC, but in small town Pleasantville, America.
    Isn't Pleasantville just north of NYC on the Sawmill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Let's put it this way. Every time there is a proposed cut you hear the same thing. It will create unsafe conditions and cost lives. Problem is when the cuts happen and those things don't happen. Eventually, you do get to a point where it will create unsafe and poor conditions. However, you have already cried wolf every time so the warning gets ignored.

    Remember - "You can't always get what you want, but if you try somehow you get what you need."
    It's really not a "cry wolf" situation. The "wolf" is there, unfortunately too many don't recognize it.

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    Everyone is lumping Fire and EMS together and leaving out PD. They all play an inter-related role IMHO.
    True FFFred. I left out PD because unlike my Fire and EMS, the PD generates funds. The fines and fees they generate pay a very large part of their expenses. My Fire and EMS generate $0, we are simply an expense.

    If PD staffing is cut, there are less LEO's available to "generate" those fines/fees. It gives the PD "a leg up" when budget cuts come up for discussion.

    If FD/EMS is cut, there is $0 change in revenues, but expenses (for the Town) go down. And yes, if things started getting burned to the ground and people weren't receiving aid, SOME folks would complain. But the majority of the people won't....until it's THEM that has the emergency.

    And yes, I know my little burg is far from a big city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Are you out of your F(*^*ing mind. Oh wait. To be out of your mind you would first have to have a mind. A 3% cut in a budget will not cause the town to burn down. Put down the whiskey bottle and get into rehab soon.
    A couple of facts, Strawbrains...

    Fact #1: Unlike you.. I do have a mind. I didn't get to the rank of Deputy Chief by being an inspid moron like you.

    Fact #2: Beerboy... heed your own advice.
    ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
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    I'll say this much, these kinds of cuts are not unique to the Cleveland suburb of Shaker Hts. East side and West side, both are hurting. Parma is cutting the number of FF's on duty and Cleveland itself hasn't had a test for FF since 1998, and I don't see one in the immediate future.

    That's exactly why I moved to Texas once I got a job offer with a great city. Northeast Ohio, despite having some great people, has a terrible economy that probably won't be changing soon.

    If you want to work in FF or EMS in NE Ohio, you're in for a long wait, typically. That's a crummy situation.

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