They care much more about what the area looks like, is it clean, is their nice landscaping, etc.
Tourists do not decide to visit a destination based on EMS and/or FD.
Think about it, in your travels to the islands....was the FD/EMS response what made you go/not go there?
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07-10-2009, 09:40 AM #41"This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?
07-10-2009, 09:59 AM #42
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There is a reason NYC was in the sh*tter for the better part of the 1970s, 80s and early 90s. It was largely because of poor city services that created conditions that kept tourists from wanting to visit. (there were other inital poltical decisions and movements that played into white flight...etc. but the aftermath was dragged on by lack of investment in city services.)
The Ghettos were so bad that they were a vacuum that drew so much of the PD, Fire and EMS services that the "nice" parts of town also fell victim to crime and sh*t conditions.
While people don't decide on where to visit based on the municipal services, they do based on the conditions that are a result of those services.
If someone visits a place and they get mugged, they call for an ambulance and it takes 30 mintues, they see piles and piles of uncollected garbage and there are burnt out shells of buildings all around and the FD is stretched to the limit, I'm sure they will tell all their friends to forgo a vist to this forsaken dump.
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07-10-2009, 11:38 AM #43
However, money got a little tight in the budget last month. The response was to brown out an engine company. Our Local protested the move and cited the dangerous condition that would exist -- only one engine company in a town of 16,000 with uncertain volunteer response and delayed mutual aid. After some back and forth, the mayor and fire chief sat down with our president. They realized the goof and moved money around to continue staffing two companies. City leaders have since expressed support for expanding our minimum staffing to three per company.
A MERE THREE DAYS after this resolution was reached and the second company was restored, we had an apartment fire with multiple patients at the same time one of the companies was on a medical run at the opposite end of the city. When we protested the closures, it wasn't because we were grandstanding or trying to get money for ourselves. It was because as professionals, we deemed it a risk to ourselves and to the people.
We were right. Had the second company not been available to respond and get a quick knock-down on the fire, the result would have been dramatically different. The lives of the people in the 15 attached apartments would have been at increased risk. The lives of the lay people who had attempted to the put the fire out might have been at grave risk. For certain, the property loss would have been greater. These aren't hypotheticals. This is the real deal -- not in some big city like NYC, but in small town Pleasantville, America.
Fortunately, I think the leaders of our city realize that our intentions were sincere then and in every other instance we've brought a safety related problem to light. We're honest and they believe us. That's a relationship I hope we can maintain.
07-10-2009, 12:27 PM #44
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07-10-2009, 01:34 PM #46Everyone is lumping Fire and EMS together and leaving out PD. They all play an inter-related role IMHO.
If PD staffing is cut, there are less LEO's available to "generate" those fines/fees. It gives the PD "a leg up" when budget cuts come up for discussion.
If FD/EMS is cut, there is $0 change in revenues, but expenses (for the Town) go down. And yes, if things started getting burned to the ground and people weren't receiving aid, SOME folks would complain. But the majority of the people won't....until it's THEM that has the emergency.
And yes, I know my little burg is far from a big city."This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?
07-10-2009, 03:21 PM #47"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY
07-10-2009, 04:16 PM #48
I'll say this much, these kinds of cuts are not unique to the Cleveland suburb of Shaker Hts. East side and West side, both are hurting. Parma is cutting the number of FF's on duty and Cleveland itself hasn't had a test for FF since 1998, and I don't see one in the immediate future.
That's exactly why I moved to Texas once I got a job offer with a great city. Northeast Ohio, despite having some great people, has a terrible economy that probably won't be changing soon.
If you want to work in FF or EMS in NE Ohio, you're in for a long wait, typically. That's a crummy situation.
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