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    Looks like the honeymoon is over. Americans are waking up to see this is not the change we need nor want !

    Poll: Obama approval rating dips under 60 percent
    WASHINGTON (CNN) ó An average of five national polls conducted in July indicates that President Barack Obama's approval rating has slipped under 60 percent.

    Fifty-seven percent of Americans surveyed approve of the job Obama's doing as president, according to a CNN Poll of Polls compiled and released Friday, with 36 percent disapproving. In early June, Obama's average approval rating was 62 percent. It dropped a point to 61 percent by mid-June and stayed at that level through the rest of the month.

    "Recent polls indicate that Obama's lowest ratings ó and biggest losses ó come on the public's perception of how he is handling the economy," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "And the latest CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll shows a double-digit drop in the number of Americans who think that the President has a clear plan for solving the country's problems. The public may not be as willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt after six months on the job as they did when he first took office."

    So how does Obama compare to his most recent predecessors six months into office?


    George W. Bush also drew a 57 percent approval rating six months into his presidency, in July of 2001. Bill Clinton stood at 48 percent in July 1993. Two-thirds of Americans polled approved of George H.W. Bush's job as president in July 1989, and six out of 10 gave Ronald Reagan the thumbs-up in July 1981.

    "Reagan, like Obama, got approval ratings in the high 50s and low 60s during most of his first summer in office," Holland says. "But as unemployment remained high, Reagan's approval rating dropped below 50 percent for the first time in November of 1981, and it stayed under 50 percent for the next two years."

    CNN's Poll of Polls consists of five national surveys with interviews conducted in July: The Gallup tracking poll (July 13-15); Ipsos/McClatchy (July 9-13); Diageo/Hotline (July 9-13); USA Today/Gallup (July 10-12) and CBS News (July 9-12). The Poll of Polls does not have a sampling error.

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    As near as I can tell from this story, it doesn't prove a darn thing. Obamas polls are basically the same as the last 4 preceding Presidents after 6 months in office. The only poll that will mean anything is the one that will happen in about 3 1/2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    As near as I can tell from this story, it doesn't prove a darn thing. Obamas polls are basically the same as the last 4 preceding Presidents after 6 months in office. The only poll that will mean anything is the one that will happen in about 3 1/2 years.
    What it proves is that people are losing faith in the President. Also, shows him on the same track as Bush.

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    Also Clinton, Other Bush, Regan, I dunno try going back to Ford, Nixon, Kennedy, Probably more a case of realizing that no one has all the answers, its going to take probably a generation to un do all the F**k ups from the past 50 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Also Clinton, Other Bush, Regan, I dunno try going back to Ford, Nixon, Kennedy, Probably more a case of realizing that no one has all the answers, its going to take probably a generation to un do all the F**k ups from the past 50 years.
    More like 100 years. We need to recover from FDRs raw deal.

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    Love you idiotboy. One of the reasons Obama has lost ground with many liberals is the belief he hasn't gone far enough in getting out of Iraq or pushing a nationalized health care plan.

    It doesn't translate into those individuals rushing to vote for someone else. Especially since the GOP has no candidate at present that could win in a head to election with him.

    But keep up with your belief. It is totally devoid of any reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    More like 100 years. We need to recover from FDRs raw deal.
    More disparaging remarks about the president who saved the US from almost total anarchy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Love you idiotboy. One of the reasons Obama has lost ground with many liberals is the belief he hasn't gone far enough in getting out of Iraq or pushing a nationalized health care plan.

    It doesn't translate into those individuals rushing to vote for someone else. Especially since the GOP has no candidate at present that could win in a head to election with him.

    But keep up with your belief. It is totally devoid of any reality.
    Once again - without the facts and you are WRONG again.

    Obama Weekly Job Approval by Demographic Groups

    90% of liberals and 90% of democrats approve of his performance, so that isnít where he is losing. Liberal Democrats arte ay 96%, Moderate Democrat are at 84%. He is losing with the independents and republicans. I have talked to a few republicans lately who voted for Obama and now regret the decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    I have talked to a few republicans lately who voted for Obama and now regret the decision.
    And I've spoken with a few republicans who voted for Obama who are incredibly thankful he won given the recent meltdown of Sarah Palin.
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    So six months into a Presidency where he has had to deal with 2 wars, an economic meltdown, Iran and North Korea, and an international health scare, Obama maintained an approval rating that is on track with his predecessors.

    Where exactly is the bad news here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    So six months into a Presidency where he has had to deal with 2 wars, an economic meltdown, Iran and North Korea, and an international health scare, Obama maintained an approval rating that is on track with his predecessors.

    Where exactly is the bad news here?
    You don't expect that type of big picture thinking from idiotboy? Do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    And I've spoken with a few republicans who voted for Obama who are incredibly thankful he won given the recent meltdown of Sarah Palin.
    That doesn't change the fact that you are once again WRONG

    "One of the reasons Obama has lost ground with many liberals is the belief he hasn't gone far enough in getting out of Iraq or pushing a nationalized health care plan."

    He has been touring the world and ignoring the issues. Pushing an ill advised energy tax, a health care plan that will only be an expansion of an already broken system, escalating problems in North Korea and Iraq, and the economy is going no where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    So six months into a Presidency where he has had to deal with 2 wars, an economic meltdown, Iran and North Korea, and an international health scare, Obama maintained an approval rating that is on track with his predecessors.

    Where exactly is the bad news here?
    The bad news?? He is no better than what we had and may eventually turn out to be even worse. The bad news, people are realizing that his Heath Care initiative is a huge farce. He is pushing an energy tax that will cripple the economy further. He is pushing for additional "stimulus" spending (that isn't working). He is traveling the world and not address domestic issues, it's just a big joke to the man.

    But look at his comments on the stimulus spending (aka wasteful government pork). Take out the words stimulus spending and substitute Iraq war. We are getting the same lame excuses and responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    The bad news?? He is no better than what we had and may eventually turn out to be even worse....
    So you are speculating...

    So far more people approve of him than voted for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    "So six months into a Presidency where he has had to deal with 2 wars, an economic meltdown, Iran and North Korea, and an international health scare, Obama maintained an approval rating that is on track with his predecessors."

    You don't expect that type of big picture thinking from Scarecrow57? Do you?
    Let's see. Big picture. 2 wars that are already in progress and all he had to do is maintain (aka do nothing). An economic meltdown that government is powerless to control, and in fact caused with the housing market collapse. Coincidence that North Korea and Iran cranked up after Bush left office? NOT!!!! There was no International Health scare, it was a big farce blown out of proportion by the Media. And an approval rating that is on track with his predecessor, where is the change?

    All of this while taking vacation after vacation to every country in the world on tax payer dollars.

    His ill advised initiatives on the uncontrollable climate and expansion of an already defective health care system (aka Medicaid) are further hurting him.

    I think that is big picture enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    Let's see. Big picture. 2 wars that are already in progress and all he had to do is maintain (aka do nothing). An economic meltdown that government is powerless to control, and in fact caused with the housing market collapse. Coincidence that North Korea and Iran cranked up after Bush left office? NOT!!!! There was no International Health scare, it was a big farce blown out of proportion by the Media. And an approval rating that is on track with his predecessor, where is the change?

    All of this while taking vacation after vacation to every country in the world on tax payer dollars.
    Repairing the damage to our relationships that were left by predecessor.

    Ill advised by who? You? You've already shown you can't manage your own finances yet you want us to believe you have a grasp of fiscal policy on a national level.

    North Korea is a mouse that roared. Iraq is another mess he is left to clean up.

    And an economy that is in shambles due to the inactions of his predecessor. If the government is powerless to control the economy then his actions needn't worry you.

    Swine flu may very well have turned out to be overblown. But that wasn't known until it actually turned out that way. Viruses have a sordid past in our world's history. Making killing more humans than any other cause.

    If you really believe his overseas trips are vacations, then you only prove you aren't that smart. Which is pretty well understood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    So you are speculating...

    So far more people approve of him than voted for him.
    I can disapprove of your philosophy yet still support the way you are performing the job. People are starting to disapprove of his performance. People voted for change and they arenít getting it. In fact, he never gave any specifics about the health care reform during the campaign, nor the specifics come out and people are shaking their heads and saying WTF. Same old welfare crap only expanded, not the change we wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Repairing the damage to our relationships that were left by predecessor.
    Bush did no damage; people in foreign countries have disliked us for years. Use 9-11-2001 as an example.

    Ill advised by who? You? You've already shown you can't manage your own finances yet you want us to believe you have a grasp of fiscal policy on a national level.
    I can mange my finances just fine. Unlike the government, when my income changes I canít just raise taxes.

    North Korea is a mouse that roared. Iraq is another mess he is left to clean up.
    North Korea was simply waiting for the weak one to take office, as was Iran. Iraq is just another issue altogether.

    And an economy that is in shambles due to the inactions of his predecessor. If the government is powerless to control the economy then his actions needn't worry you.
    Yes it is true that Clinton and Bush did nothing to stop the corruption of industry. However, governments donít control the economy, they can however affect them. And Obamaís poor choices of giving away my hard earned tax dollars is of concern.

    Swine flu may very well have turned out to be overblown. But that wasn't known until it actually turned out that way. Viruses have a sordid past in our world's history. Making killing more humans than any other cause.
    Medical professionals (aka doctors) said that the flu was essentially a wimpy virus; the media took the story and ran with it. Sort of like how they seem to pick out a few murders from hundreds of thousands to talk about.

    If you really believe his overseas trips are vacations, then you only prove you aren't that smart. Which is pretty well understood.
    Domestic issues and the economy are the number concerns of Americans. Most of us could really care less about what happens in the rest of the world. And there is no reason to go out touring until you do some work.
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    North Korea is a mouse that roared.
    Unless they lob a nuclear weapon into So. Korea or Japan. We will have no alternative but to launch a retaliatory strike to uphold our side of the treatises that are in force.

    Pres. Obama does not have the stomach or the balls to do it. We have an absolute etihical, legal and moral obligation to protect our allies in that region. If this happens, and he does not act, he will be impeached in a month.
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    [QUOTE=ScareCrow57;1080056]Bush did no damage; people in foreign countries have disliked us for years. Use 9-11-2001 as an example.

    I can mange my finances just fine. Unlike the government, when my income changes I canít just raise taxes.



    North Korea was simply waiting for the weak one to take office, as was Iran. Iraq is just another issue altogether.



    Yes it is true that Clinton and Bush did nothing to stop the corruption of industry. However, governments donít control the economy, they can however affect them. And Obamaís poor choices of giving away my hard earned tax dollars is of concern.



    Medical professionals (aka doctors) said that the flu was essentially a wimpy virus; the media took the story and ran with it. Sort of like how they seem to pick out a few murders from hundreds of thousands to talk about.



    Domestic issues and the economy are the number concerns of Americans. Most of us could really care less about what happens in the rest of the world. And there is no reason to go out touring until you do some work.[/QUOTe

    Scarecrow, your first sentence is truly laughable. Bush probably did more for souring international relations than anybody in the world except for Robert Mugabe. He had absolutely no understanding of anyone elses culture, lifestyle, expectations. He surrounded himself with a group of blathering idiots, Rumsfeldt, Cheney, et al.

    North Korea has been rambling and threatening going back until at least Regan, even Nixon. It was during the Bush years they actually got and exploded an atomic weapon. thanks to your good and true ally Pakistan. Iran started to go south in 2004 when Ahmadinejad came to power.

    Iraq and Afghanistan were 2 of the biggest mistakes ever undertaken by the west.

    The health care issue is way off base now, you need to study a lot of different systems and learn from their mistakes. Throwing all this money out is just pi**ing into the wind. Your system as it stands is unsustainable and thinking tort reform is going to cure it all is pure fantasy. Tort reform needs to happen in all areas of the legal system.

    Yes Obama needs to concentrate his focus on domestic problems, but the US cannot live as an island. You need foreign trade, foreign relations, allies throughout the world.

    So far, I don't agree with the Democrat philosophy, but he hasn't stepped on his d**k yet, so lets see what the future brings

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post

    Scarecrow, your first sentence is truly laughable. Bush probably did more for souring international relations than anybody in the world except for Robert Mugabe. He had absolutely no understanding of anyone elses culture, lifestyle, expectations. He surrounded himself with a group of blathering idiots, Rumsfeldt, Cheney, et al.

    North Korea has been rambling and threatening going back until at least Regan, even Nixon. It was during the Bush years they actually got and exploded an atomic weapon. thanks to your good and true ally Pakistan. Iran started to go south in 2004 when Ahmadinejad came to power.

    Iraq and Afghanistan were 2 of the biggest mistakes ever undertaken by the west.

    The health care issue is way off base now, you need to study a lot of different systems and learn from their mistakes. Throwing all this money out is just pi**ing into the wind. Your system as it stands is unsustainable and thinking tort reform is going to cure it all is pure fantasy. Tort reform needs to happen in all areas of the legal system.

    Yes Obama needs to concentrate his focus on domestic problems, but the US cannot live as an island. You need foreign trade, foreign relations, allies throughout the world.

    So far, I don't agree with the Democrat philosophy, but he hasn't stepped on his d**k yet, so lets see what the future brings
    BL. idiotboy is living proof of what happens when cousins mate.

    His nonsense is now more comic fodder than being anything remotely resembling intelligent dialogue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Unless they lob a nuclear weapon into So. Korea or Japan. We will have no alternative but to launch a retaliatory strike to uphold our side of the treatises that are in force.
    So far they are nothing but tough talk. We're both old enough to remember the saber rattling that occurred by the USSR. It wasn't much different and they did have the ability to lob more than one nuke in our direction.

    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Pres. Obama does not have the stomach or the balls to do it. We have an absolute etihical, legal and moral obligation to protect our allies in that region. If this happens, and he does not act, he will be impeached in a month.
    We won't know until this happens.

    I doubt he would be impeached for lack of action. Where is the high crime or misdemeanor charge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader
    your first sentence is truly laughable. Bush probably did more for souring international relations than anybody in the world except for Robert Mugabe. He had absolutely no understanding of anyone elses culture, lifestyle, expectations. He surrounded himself with a group of blathering idiots, Rumsfeldt, Cheney, et al.
    I was in Germany in the 1970s, they did not like us then. So nothing really changed. Most countries don't like being told what to do by this egotistical government. We need to learn to live and let live.

    The health care issue is way off base now, you need to study a lot of different systems and learn from their mistakes. Throwing all this money out is just pi**ing into the wind. Your system as it stands is unsustainable and thinking tort reform is going to cure it all is pure fantasy. Tort reform needs to happen in all areas of the legal system.
    I am seriously concerned about this entire issue. I'm afraid these knuckleheads will send this bill through without even looking at it or reading it. I think they need to produce a bill, then give the public 180 days to look at it and comment on it. Spell out the details. This is something that will affect generations of people, we donít need to cram something through in 30 days just to sooth the ego of Obama.

    Yes Obama needs to concentrate his focus on domestic problems, but the US cannot live as an island. You need foreign trade, foreign relations, allies throughout the world.

    So far, I don't agree with the Democrat philosophy, but he hasn't stepped on his d**k yet, so lets see what the future brings
    Apparently you haven't been watching the Stimulus Bill failures and the AIG screw-upís.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    I was in Germany in the 1970s, they did not like us then. So nothing really changed. Most countries don't like being told what to do by this egotistical government. We need to learn to live and let live.
    I was in Germany in the late 80's. They loved Americans. I'm thinking it wasn't America they didn't like, it was just you.

    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    I am seriously concerned about this entire issue. I'm afraid these knuckleheads will send this bill through without even looking at it or reading it. I think they need to produce a bill, then give the public 180 days to look at it and comment on it. Spell out the details. This is something that will affect generations of people, we donít need to cram something through in 30 days just to sooth the ego of Obama.
    Conservatives are absolutely terrified of this issue. If it works, they will have lost the middle class for generations to come and will be nothing more than the crackpots you see walking down the street. Just keep walking and don't make eye contact.

    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    Apparently you haven't been watching the Stimulus Bill failures and the AIG screw-upís.
    Since you claim the government is unable to control the economy, why should this matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    I was in Germany in the 1970s, they did not like us then. So nothing really changed. Most countries don't like being told what to do by this egotistical government. We need to learn to live and let live.



    I am seriously concerned about this entire issue. I'm afraid these knuckleheads will send this bill through without even looking at it or reading it. I think they need to produce a bill, then give the public 180 days to look at it and comment on it. Spell out the details. This is something that will affect generations of people, we donít need to cram something through in 30 days just to sooth the ego of Obama.



    Apparently you haven't been watching the Stimulus Bill failures and the AIG screw-upís.
    I was deployed in Germany at Baden in late 68 and 69. The Germans certainly did not dislike the Canucks, I learned how to drink from a boot there
    This considering the fact that they had lost the war only 23 years earlier. I also was deployed in Egypt and Cyprus. No problems in either place.

    I agree totally on your view of the rush this damn fool health reform is being pushed through. The govt needs to study health care in a lot of countries, what works and what doesn't. Cherry pick the best and apply them.

    Your Stimulous Bill and AIG, GM, Chrysler, bank failures are all made in America. Foreign relations are still extremely important and your President needs to show he will mend fences, i.e. EU, Russia, Middle East, Asia.

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