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    Allright...saw the video, what do YOU think happened?
    D/O maybe going a bit fast?
    Maintenance shop wasn't doing their job?
    Maybe the D/O didn't do a proper brake check?

    Our guys were lucky not to be hurt or injured. Whatever happened, hope it gets corrected. Things like this simply shouldn't happen.

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    ugh this is gonna get ugly.

    hope the brothers are ok and get well soon if hurt. hope they don't try to crucify the driver and officer.


    regardless of who's at fault and what happened, its a reminder to all of us of the massive responsibility you assume when you are driving a fire truck. its a big heavy truck and even at city speeds has the ability to do massive damage.


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    DFD only has 3 guys on a truck?!? I'd have figured they rode with 4 or more.

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    First of all, thank god nobody was seriously injured or killed. Hope all involved (the brothers AND civilians) recover.

    Second, I am not going to speculate on what happened. The video only shows the end of the accident. There's no telling if anything happened around the corner before the truck entered the intersection. Let's at least wait for the investigation to be completed before we start pointing fingers.

    Hope fireground operations of the incident they were responding to weren't delayed or hampered due to the ladder not being able to complete the run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    ugh this is gonna get ugly.

    Only if people here pass judgement before getting all the facts.

    Glad everyone involved is going to be ok.

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    Originally Posted by nameless
    ugh this is gonna get ugly.
    Quote Originally Posted by len1582 View Post
    Only if people here pass judgement before getting all the facts.
    On this forum?


    Glad everyone involved is going to be ok.
    Ditto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    side note-
    DFD only has 3 guys on a truck?!? I'd have figured they rode with 4 or more.
    They have a 4 man minimum, and they usually brownout companies to keep the rest staffed. Either the reporter was wrong (go figure ) or one of the truckies was the cook and out shopping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrnkB8 View Post
    First of all, thank god nobody was seriously injured or killed. Hope all involved (the brothers AND civilians) recover.

    Second, I am not going to speculate on what happened. The video only shows the end of the accident. There's no telling if anything happened around the corner before the truck entered the intersection. Let's at least wait for the investigation to be completed before we start pointing fingers.

    Hope fireground operations of the incident they were responding to weren't delayed or hampered due to the ladder not being able to complete the run.
    Yes, let's wait for the investigation. In the mean time people need to slow down, it's not a race. What's that saying "Arrive Alive".

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    First things first, the video is sped up and does not accurately depict the speed of the apparatus. I've been working with surveillance video for 8 years. It appears whoever is playing the video pauses it and than resumes playback by hitting a 2x button to speed the video up. They do it twice. They are clearly trying to make it look like something worse than it is.

    Obviously something didn't go right. Either a problem with the front wheels or a problem with guy behind the wheel.
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    Glad to hear everyone is OK. Iron can be fixed or replaced. Lives cannot.

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    Any other video links beside the one on the home page? Cant seem to get that one to load.
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    That guy driving had his hands full! He did an excellent job no matter what!

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    Anybody here familiar with Detroit FD procedures? Does the shop adjust the brakes? Drivers?

    Do the drivers do a brake check in the morning (including the
    slack adjusters and spring brake, etc)?

    I don't think he was "just going too fast". I think there was an issue with the brakes. I could be wrong. We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    First things first, the video is sped up and does not accurately depict the speed of the apparatus. I've been working with surveillance video for 8 years. It appears whoever is playing the video pauses it and than resumes playback by hitting a 2x button to speed the video up. They do it twice. They are clearly trying to make it look like something worse than it is.

    Obviously something didn't go right. Either a problem with the front wheels or a problem with guy behind the wheel.
    It would be nice to get clear picture of the front wheels,( you know, like they do on CSI?) It almost looks like the trucks wheels froze, then released. Sounds like the driver had lots of experience and had travelled that route many times before so I kind of question that he would be reckless like that. The entire video is definitely speeded up though. Just look at the car pulling out from parking

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnyv View Post
    They have a 4 man minimum, and they usually brownout companies to keep the rest staffed. Either the reporter was wrong (go figure ) or one of the truckies was the cook and out shopping.
    like the cook takes is POV to the store or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    like the cook takes is POV to the store or something?
    Our "Petey-Boy" takes a utility or brush truck on store runs. If we had to use a POV, we'd just all go in the truck. But, that's just our department, not sure how DFD does it.

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