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    Whats your departments punishment if a guy/or gal gets a dwi.

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    Hope than a slap on the wrist ... treat it like a real crime ....

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    If we get a DWI we lose our job.

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    Your done.

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    The firefighter gets his driving priviledges suspended until his/her license is reinstated or case settled.

    The Registry of Motor Vehicles may issue "Cinderella" licenses on a case by case basis.

    The "Cinderella" license allows for the person to drive back and forth to work on a set time frame... usually 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM.
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    No valid driving privileges...no driving of apparatus. Other than that, no formal punishment, although you may get your "balls busted" quite often.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    If you lose your license after a DUI arrest, you can't drive apparatus which will likely lead to your termination. If you can pull a hardship license, you might survive that part, as it's not affecting your job performance.

    If you're convicted, you're probably going to lose your job.

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    As a former Chief I had this happen once to one of my better Engineers. His punnishment was as follows:

    1. At time of charge--Suspension of driving prividges of deparmental apparatus since its was on his off duty time.
    2. He had to take driver safety improvement training and EVOC prior to be reinstated.

    Luckily for him the Judge took it under advisement and suspended the sentance for 6 months whereas he learned his lesson and the charges were dropped at 6 months. If he would have been convicted I would have had the unpleasure of dissmissing him.

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    If the employee claims an "alcohol" problem can he/she be dismissed? Alcoholism is considered an illness. Here the employee would have to undergo treatment and complete counseling. We have not had to deal with that yet.

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    Having and maintaining a valid state of Wisconsin drivers license is a condition of employment, here.
    If you fail to keep and maintain a valid drivers license during the course of your employment, for any reason, you have failed to keep yourself eligible for a position on the department.

    I am not sure at what point a person is not eligible for an occupational permit, on whether it is the second or third DUI. A first DUI will not result in dismissal, here, as a person may obtain an occupational. Without looking at the law, it is either a second or third offense that results in a suspension of all driving privileges, and at that time a member will be fired, just the same as if they have their EMT license lapse, or fail to maintain a city residence.

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    Full-time personnel lose their jobs.

    Volunteer personnel receive a 6-month suspension, and once they return, they cannot drive for one year. If they have any rank (Senior Firefighter, Captain, Asst. Chief), they lose it.

    A second DWI and they are gone.
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    In some places they get promoted to Chief!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Full-time personnel lose their jobs.

    Volunteer personnel receive a 6-month suspension, and once they return, they cannot drive for one year. If they have any rank (Senior Firefighter, Captain, Asst. Chief), they lose it.

    A second DWI and they are gone.
    Interesting that the punishment isn't the same, regardless of employment status. Is there some kind of reason for that?

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    Originally Posted by LaFireEducator
    Full-time personnel lose their jobs.

    Volunteer personnel receive a 6-month suspension, and once they return, they cannot drive for one year. If they have any rank (Senior Firefighter, Captain, Asst. Chief), they lose it.

    A second DWI and they are gone.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    Interesting that the punishment isn't the same, regardless of employment status. Is there some kind of reason for that?
    In Bossier Booby's world, the full time firefighters are nothing more than "janitors" and "maintenance men" there to "support" the volunteers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Originally Posted by LaFireEducator
    A second DWI and they are gone.



    In Bossier Booby's world, the full time firefighters are nothing more than "janitors" and "maintenance men" there to "support" the volunteers.
    I think in that case look at it in a positive light. If they want to pay fireman's wages to be a janitor/maintenance man so be it. I think where i work the janitors/maintenance men make around $8.50 an hour and i'm sure where you live, firefighters make more then that so go for it.
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    Interesting that the punishment isn't the same, regardless of employment status. Is there some kind of reason for that?

    Full-time personnel must be able to drive apparatus. Tough to drive with a suspended license. Volunteer personnel are not required to be able to drive apparatus.

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    In Bossier Booby's world, the full time firefighters are nothing more than "janitors" and "maintenance men" there to "support" the volunteers.

    Interesting. Another twist.

    Yes, you are right in that the career members are in place to support the primary firefighting force on the department, which are the volunteers.

    We have close to 90 volunteer members in various capacities v. 5 paid members.

    Call them janitors if you wish, but the primary role of the career personnel are to conduct the basic maintenance and repair functions of the department (apparatus, tool and station) and perform and supervise the volunteers in the tasks required for the rating - hose, hydrant and pump testing and pre-planning.

    We utilize volunteers for handling calls as much as possible to keep morale up and build their experience base. In addition, this allows the full-time personnel to continue with their primary tasks.

    On the admin side - the Deputy Chief and myself - are responsible primarily for admin. Training, pubed, documentation and day to day admin. Again, we have a volunteer Asst. Chief who works shift for another FD to handle runs and operations when he is available, which is often.

    Gonz -Why does the fact that our career people support the volunteers seem to bother you so much as it seems to be a reoccuring topic with you? Does the fact that our department sees our volunteers as more important to our operations than our paid people cause you a problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by firedog14 View Post
    In some places they get promoted to Chief!!!
    hahaha....
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    Does anyone know if there are any states that have laws pertaining to driving fire apparatus after DUI cases are settled? I was told that some states do but can't find anything on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    In Bossier Booby's world, the full time firefighters are nothing more than "janitors" and "maintenance men" there to "support" the volunteers.

    Interesting. Another twist.

    Yes, you are right in that the career members are in place to support the primary firefighting force on the department, which are the volunteers.

    We have close to 90 volunteer members in various capacities v. 5 paid members.

    Call them janitors if you wish, but the primary role of the career personnel are to conduct the basic maintenance and repair functions of the department (apparatus, tool and station) and perform and supervise the volunteers in the tasks required for the rating - hose, hydrant and pump testing and pre-planning.


    Gonz -Why does the fact that our career people support the volunteers seem to bother you so much as it seems to be a reoccuring topic with you? Does the fact that our department sees our volunteers as more important to our operations than our paid people cause you a problem?
    Your personnel should be treated equally. Period.

    The same standards should apply to everyone, from training to ops to discipline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Your personnel should be treated equally. Period.

    The same standards should apply to everyone, from training to ops to discipline.
    x2.

    Sounds like a poor implementation to me bent on 'getting even' or proving something.

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    Smile CaptainGonzo

    I have to agree with Gonzo on the one part.....

    Both sides must be treated equally for training and discipline. This is the kind of stuff that helps drive wedges between the two groups.

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    Our department terminates upon conviction. NO LICENSE, NO JOB !!

    Pasco county ,Fl.

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    Everyone is treated equally, but they each have different roles.

    Paid personnel are there to perform the daily mundane operational, admin, training, rating-related testing and maintenance tasks of the department. They know that when they are hired - as we only hire from within. They understand the the volunteers role is to provide the primary response force, and assist, if they choose to rideout, in the daily tasks.

    If it's a significant incident, we roll the paid staff as well, but as much as possible, we utilize our volunteer firefighters as primary operational manpower and the volunteer officers as leaders and ICs.

    It's a system that works very well as demonstrated by our volunteers ability to land jobs with other departments.

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