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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    And the president cannot control the economy. FDR injected a lot of money into what was essentially an American Economy and it took 25 years to have an effect. Obama is injecting American dollars into a world economy. The stimulus money is going straight to South East Asia. In extreme heads we need leaders and people with rational thought processes. Not the Garbage we are getting that is running the country into bankruptcy.
    You'd be one of the few who actually believes that to be the case.
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    Add in Area 51, Roswell, The grassy knoll in Dallas, Disney and Kennedys brains being preserved. Theres lots of nutjobs out there
    Don't forget that 9-11 was planned by The Bush Administration................ .
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    Don't forget that 9-11 was planned by The Bush Administration................ .
    Oh yea, Apollo 11 never landed on the moon either

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    Lightbulb Hmmm..........

    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Oh yea, Apollo 11 never landed on the moon either

    Funny that you should bring that up....... See, there is a "Back Lot" in Hollywood where the reputed Moon Landing was filmed......
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Oh yea, Apollo 11 never landed on the moon either
    And rasslin' s real,too!

    What gets me confused is that Obama's father took him to another country where he had to change his citizenship in order to enroll his son in the local schools.
    If a parent changes their citizenship,what does that do to the minor child's citizenship?Did young "Barry" also become an Indonesian citizen because his father had custody of him?
    If Barack Hussein Obama had to claim Indonesian citizenship in order to go to grade school,when did he regain his US citizenship and how does being however briefly an Indonesian citizen affect his eligibility to be President of the United States of America?
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    What gets me confused is that Obama's father took him to another country where he had to change his citizenship in order to enroll his son in the local schools.
    Imagine if he actually put that concept into practice in the US?
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    If a parent changes their citizenship,what does that do to the minor child's citizenship?
    Aren't there many children born in the US (making them US citizens) yet their parents are here illegally and only here for the purpose of having their child born as a US citizen?


    The parents citizenship does not reflect the child's citizenship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    And rasslin' s real,too!

    What gets me confused is that Obama's father took him to another country where he had to change his citizenship in order to enroll his son in the local schools.
    If a parent changes their citizenship,what does that do to the minor child's citizenship?Did young "Barry" also become an Indonesian citizen because his father had custody of him?
    If Barack Hussein Obama had to claim Indonesian citizenship in order to go to grade school,when did he regain his US citizenship and how does being however briefly an Indonesian citizen affect his eligibility to be President of the United States of America?
    Nothing. A parent cannot renounce a minor child's citizenship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    And rasslin' s real,too!

    What gets me confused is that Obama's father took him to another country where he had to change his citizenship in order to enroll his son in the local schools.
    If a parent changes their citizenship,what does that do to the minor child's citizenship?Did young "Barry" also become an Indonesian citizen because his father had custody of him?
    If Barack Hussein Obama had to claim Indonesian citizenship in order to go to grade school,when did he regain his US citizenship and how does being however briefly an Indonesian citizen affect his eligibility to be President of the United States of America?
    We covered the same situation and the applicable laws not too long ago on here. A minor cannot loose his citizenship because of his parent's action.

    My post
    on this subject from 3 months ago.
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    So why does Hussein keep his BC cloaked in secrecy? BTW, the announcement doesn't address his actions in foreign countries that potentially affect his citizenship here.
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    Moonbat is probably holding the 3icthes hand!
    I'd rather hold her hand than worship Hussein like he's some kind of prophet, which is exactly what most of the libtards are doing on a daily basis.
    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    Add in Area 51, Roswell, The grassy knoll in Dallas, Disney and Kennedys brains being preserved. Theres lots of nutjobs out there
    Oh you want to talk conspiracy theories? OK. Which party contains 99% of the people who believe (or believed):
    • O.J. is innocent;
    • Bush shirked his National Guard duty;
    • Sarah Palin's infant child, Trig, was actually the child of her daughter;
    • Justice Antonin Scalia threw the 2000 election to Bush so that his son could get a legal job with the Labor Department;
    • The Mumia Abu-Jamal was framed;
    • The Diebold Corp. secretly stole thousands of Kerry votes in 2004;
    • Duke lacrosse players gang-raped a stripper;
    • Bill Clinton did not have sex with "that woman";
    • Heterosexuals are just as likely to contract AIDS as gays;
    • John Edwards didn't have an affair with Rielle Hunter;
    • John Edwards' campaign aide Andrew Young is the father of Rielle Hunter's child.
    • And, a 2007 Rasmussen poll showed that 35% of Democrats believe Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance, while 26% aren't sure. This is my surprised face >>>>
    • Oh and don't forget that Janeane Garofalo believes Enron's Ken Lay faked his own death.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    the House of Representatives has unanimously passed a resolution declaring Hawaii as the official birthplace of President Barack Obama.
    It's a non-binding resolution type thing, it has no legal authority. And since none of the HOR's have seen Hussein's BC yet, it has no basis to substantiate it. While you're out, did you happen to find anything to support your blatant lie that the Iraq War cost $3,000,000,000,000.00?? I didn't think so.

    What do Stevie Wonder & I have in common?

    Neither of us has seen Hussein's BC.
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    Obama is facing a similar situation to FDR. It worked for FDR, and it will work again.
    No, it took the economy 10 years to rebound after FDR's anti-business interventions.
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    Isn't time for you reread your BK settlement?
    Like a broken record.
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    idiotboy, you might have noticed Bush is no longer president.
    Doesn't stop the libtards like you from whining about prosecuting GWB and his admin for alleged crimes.
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    At what point in time does a new president become responsible for what occurs during their administration?
    When that president actually has something to do with outcome.

    I have heard ENOUGH from this petty, narcissistic, egotistical, immature, irresponsible LOSER we have for a President, whining about the deficit that he "inherited". Hussein didn't inherit it, he helped create it. Him and his party were in control. He voted for these spending measures, he supported them.

    Congress controls the nation's wallet and Hussein and his party controlled the HOR for the past three years and he and his party helped lead our nation into this economic mess!

    Just because another man was in the executive office when it occurred does not absolve Hussein, nor his party, of responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    So why does Hussein keep his BC cloaked in secrecy?
    No matter what he does, people like you would never be happy, always call it a forgery, and always demand more "proof". I don't care if I was the president of not, in this day of identity theft I would not hand over a private document that could be used for ill purposes. He has a passport, that passport proves he is a citizen.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    BTW, the announcement doesn't address his actions in foreign countries that potentially affect his citizenship here.
    What actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Neither of us has seen Hussein's BC.
    And why should anyone have a right to see it.

    We know for a fact that McCain was born outside of the country, why has he never released his BC? Why has no-one even asked for it?

    I have never seen the BC of ANY president. Have you?

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    I have heard ENOUGH from this petty, narcissistic, egotistical, immature, irresponsible LOSER we have for a President, whining about the deficit that he "inherited".
    Actually, he is the President, that makes him the winner .

    And personally, every time I hear people running around calling him Hussein, it reminds me how narrow minded people are and that they hate him for apparently no other reason than his Muslim sounding name .
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    No matter what he does, people like you would never be happy, always call it a forgery, and always demand more "proof". I don't care if I was the president of not, in this day of identity theft I would not hand over a private document that could be used for ill purposes. He has a passport, that passport proves he is a citizen.



    What actions?



    And why should anyone have a right to see it.

    We know for a fact that McCain was born outside of the country, why has he never released his BC? Why has no-one even asked for it?

    I have never seen the BC of ANY president. Have you?



    Actually, he is the President, that makes him the winner .

    And personally, every time I hear people running around calling him Hussein, it reminds me how narrow minded people are and that they hate him for apparently no other reason than his Muslim sounding name .
    Regardless of where you stand on this we the people are entitled to see his Birth Certificate. After all, when you put your name in the hat for President you have to prove to the people you are eligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Regardless of where you stand on this we the people are entitled to see his Birth Certificate. After all, when you put your name in the hat for President you have to prove to the people you are eligible.
    Where is McCain's. He was born in Panama, why haven't we seen his. He put his name in the hat for President, so why didn't he proof that he is a citizen?

    He has a United States Passport, which is only issued to United States Citizens.

    And after he posts his Birth Certificate, which he has already done once and it was promptly called a fake, whats next. People will never be happy and always demand more proof, simply because they don't like that McCain lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Where is McCain's. He was born in Panama, why haven't we seen his. He put his name in the hat for President, so why didn't he proof that he is a citizen?

    He has a United States Passport, which is only issued to United States Citizens.

    And after he posts his Birth Certificate, which he has already done once and it was promptly called a fake, whats next. People will never be happy and always demand more proof, simply because they don't like that McCain lost.
    Slow down my friend. I'm not one of those birthers. As for McCain, these are the requirements for Senator

    * at least 30 years old.

    * a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election to the Senate.

    * a resident of the state one is elected to represent in the Senate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Where is McCain's.
    He was born in Panama, why haven't we seen his. He put his name in the hat for President, so why didn't he proof that he is a citizen?
    McCain didn't get elected, or did you miss that little piece of information? Being a NBC isn't a requirement to be a Senator, nor is it a prerequisite to attempt to get elected to POTUS. But it is a requirement to hold the office, and should be verified with a BC before being sworn in.

    Call for McCain's BC all you want, I'll even echo your sentiments, as long as Hussein is held to the same standard.
    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    He has a United States Passport, which is only issued to United States Citizens.
    Passports are only issued to US Citizens yes, but only Natural Born US Citizens are supposed to be POTUS.
    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    And after he posts his Birth Certificate, which he has already done once and it was promptly called a fake, whats next.
    Hussein never posted his BC, he posted a low resolution digital picture of a Certificate of Live Birth. In Hawaii, a Certificate of Live Birth is a distinctly different document than a Birth Certificate.
    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    People will never be happy and always demand more proof, simply because they don't like that McCain lost.
    I want proof because I want to be certain that our elected officials comply with the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    McCain didn't get elected, or did you miss that little piece of information? Being a NBC isn't a requirement to be a Senator, nor is it a prerequisite to attempt to get elected to POTUS. But it is a requirement to hold the office, and should be verified with a BC before being sworn in.

    Call for McCain's BC all you want, I'll even echo your sentiments, as long as Hussein is held to the same standard.Passports are only issued to US Citizens yes, but only Natural Born US Citizens are supposed to be POTUS.Hussein never posted his BC, he posted a low resolution digital picture of a Certificate of Live Birth. In Hawaii, a Certificate of Live Birth is a distinctly different document than a Birth Certificate. I want proof because I want to be certain that our elected officials comply with the law.
    moonbat, how the heck are ya? Missed you and your lunatic ramblings.

    The GOP Governor of Hawaii verified the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate and his place of birth as Hawaii. What is it your hoping that seeing the document will tell you that hasn't already been said.

    Here's the fun part. Even if Obama was born in Kenya, his mom is an American. Under the law that qualifies him as a citizen and being eligible to run for President.

    None of your birther ramblings changes any of that.

    But watching you and the idiot birthers flopping around like a fish on dry land is great entertainment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Under the law that qualifies him as a citizen and being eligible to run for President.
    And British law says that since he's a descendant of a Brit, then he's British.

    Why does Barry fight so hard to keep lawsuits from being granted a full hearing in the courts?

    Barry is scared to release his long form BC. That fact is indisputable. I just want to know why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    And British law says that since he's a descendant of a Brit, then he's British.
    And since when has the US allowed British law to supersede it?

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    Why does Barry fight so hard to keep lawsuits from being granted a full hearing in the courts?
    Which ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    Barry is scared to release his long form BC. That fact is indisputable. I just want to know why.
    I want to be a billionaire. Doesn't mean it goings to happen. I'm happy he's keeping folks like you up in arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    And British law says that since he's a descendant of a Brit, then he's British.

    Why does Barry fight so hard to keep lawsuits from being granted a full hearing in the courts?

    Barry is scared to release his long form BC. That fact is indisputable. I just want to know why.
    Does the constitution have any rules that does not allow a president to have dual citizenship? (even though he doesn't)

    What are the actions that you spoke of earlier that would make Obama loose his citizenship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Does the constitution have any rules that does not allow a president to have dual citizenship? (even though he doesn't)

    What are the actions that you spoke of earlier that would make Obama loose his citizenship?
    Only Indonesian citizens could attend Indonesian schools at the time Barack Obama attended the Indonesian school where he was registered as Barry Soetoro. His citizenship was listed as Indonesian, his religion as Islam, and his father as Lolo Soetoro, M.A. There was also no dual citizenship at the time. If he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, he would have forfeited any U.S. citizenship he may have had, just as when a child is adopted in America, he or she becomes an American.

    In addition, according to U.S. law pertaining to births abroad, from “Dec. 24, 1952, to Nov. 13, 1986,” in order to register the child’s birth as a U.S. natural-born citizen at the time of Obama’s birth, he or she must be:

    1. Born to two U.S. citizen parents; OR
    2. If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of the birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which must be after the age of 14.

    Since Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time of his birth, she failed to meet the legal requirements of U.S. residency for at least five years after the age of 14. Ann was 18.68 years of age when Hussein Junior was born.

    Barack Obama Jr., aka Barack H. Obama Jr., aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Soetoro, aka Barry Dunham, aka Barry Obama, aka Barack Hussein Obama took the last name of his mother's husband. At a minimum it, along with the school (and thus, official records of the State of Indonesia) serves as probably cause to investigate further.

    Until the day when an unedited copy of Hussein's Birth Certificate is released for public scrutiny, and when a court has ruled ON THE MERITS of his citizenship status based on his time in Indonesia, his citizenship will remain unproven.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Even if Obama was born in Kenya, his mom is an American. Under the law that qualifies him as a citizen and being eligible to run for President.
    According to U.S. law pertaining to births abroad, from “Dec. 24, 1952, to Nov. 13, 1986,” in order to register the child’s birth as a U.S. natural-born citizen at the time of Obama’s birth, he or she must be:
    1. Born to two U.S. citizen parents; OR
    2. If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of the birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which must be after the age of 14.

    Since Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time of his birth, she failed to meet the legal requirements of U.S. residency for at least five years after the age of 14. Ann was 18.68 years of age when Hussein Junior was born.

    If you're wondering why I'm writing this twice in one post, it because you were too stupid to read and retain the knowledge the first time I wrote it, despite the fact that you specifically responded to that post.
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