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Hell Yea, that's some truckie work... It seems to risky at first, but the ensuing affects seem to pay off.. It gets real small, real quick after they opened it up.. So........ Would you have been on this roof?? Or to risky?
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08-01-2009, 09:05 PM #1Forum Member
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Aggressive ventilation
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we were actually training on roof work and watched the video in our station today.
Yes, they've got balls of STIHL!!
Knowing the construction (i suppose old full diamensional lumber) that was likely a solid assembly they were on top of.
Would we go there? Not likely in the suburbs, knowing our newer construction here.Originally Posted by madden01
"and everyone is encouraged to use Plain, Spelled Out English. I thought this was covered in NIMS training."
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Good video. A couple of the biggest factors in deciding between go/no-go are construction type, like you said, ffmed, and color/velocity/volume/density of smoke. If you've got yellowish-brown smoke, you've most likely got involvement in the structural members. This roof was definitely tenable, and L-19 set a good example of getting up, making the cut and getting the hell off. I've seen too many lost, or nearly lost fires blamed on conditions, when the actual culprit was slow reaction.
Stay Safe, Stay Aggressive.
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Great work Houston Ladder 19.
Oh and to answer your question, yes the truck I work on would have been on that roof popping the top as well.One day when I grow up I hope to be just like Fyred Up and Deputy Marshal.
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Notice the fan. Houston have adopted the aggressive interior attack method, the truckers are apparently quite aggressive also! I want these guys when my house goes alight.
I can't say for sure, but in our area, we might have ventilated from an aerial platform and that takes a bit more time to get there and all set up. But then, I'm neither battalion/chief nor do I know all the details.
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NOPE The level of training level and proficiency is just not there yet on our vollie department. The city would likely try to pop it from a stick. Knowing the construction, the fire conditions, and what will happen if we don't crack the sky I would push for it....But, it would have to be the right group of guys on scene for us to try it. We just don't have enough roof monkeys with truck in thier blood yet.
A coward stands by and watches wrongs committed without saying a word...Any opinions expressed are purely my own and not necessarily reflective of the views of my former departments
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I'm a firm believer in the old fireman's adage
Vent early, vent often!"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY
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Vent early, vent often, VENT BIG!!!!
Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo
Originally Posted by madden01
"and everyone is encouraged to use Plain, Spelled Out English. I thought this was covered in NIMS training."
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08-08-2009, 09:54 AM #9Banned
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Hard to say. The video only shows the front, and there is venting coming out of the rafters in the front. The other thing to consider is this house is a total loss. With that much smoke the interior will have to b gutted, the video shows the siding will have to be replaced. And with that much heat the shingles are shot.
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*Smacks Head* Originally Posted by ScareCrow57
Career Firefighter
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Originally Posted by Rescue101
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Originally Posted by ScareCrow57
What are we insurance adjusters??
Protect life and PROPERTY, That's what we're ALL supposed to do. Your defensive nature is showing through again...
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I would have driven right by. Did yall not see that those house was really on fire. Its not like the academy fires.
I hate to say that
would have been defensive at my dept. We don't have the skill/leadership to do more than save the neighbor's house.FF/Paramedic
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Correct Protect LIFE and property. You can replace property, much harder to replace a life. Originally Posted by SoloBlitz
What are we insurance adjusters??
Protect life and PROPERTY, That's what we're ALL supposed to do. Your defensive nature is showing through again...
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Why is someone who does not even understand any of the basics of firefighting, even attempting to weigh in on anything in a forum that addresses both basic and more advanced firefighting techniques?
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Amateurs practice until they get it right; professionals practice until they cannot get it wrong. Which one are you?
'The fire went out and nobody got hurt' is a poor excuse for a fireground critique.
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Well obviously, you didn't weigh in. Originally Posted by DocVBFDE14
So no problem.
No go away and play with your school yard friends.
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You have proven time and time again that youre not even a firefighter. So please, for all of us, just shut up. Originally Posted by ScareCrow57
Well obviously, you didn't weigh in. So no problem.
No go away and play with your school yard friends.Career Firefighter
Volunteer Captain
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Originally Posted by Rescue101
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Hey scarey, what's the ISO rating for your dept.??
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5 in the hydranted areas, 9 elsewhere. Originally Posted by SoloBlitz
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From the mouths of babes....... Originally Posted by GTRider245
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nevermind let it burn............ Originally Posted by ScareCrow57
Worked before right??
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