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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyUtahDJGec


    Hell Yea, that's some truckie work... It seems to risky at first, but the ensuing affects seem to pay off.. It gets real small, real quick after they opened it up.. So........ Would you have been on this roof?? Or to risky?

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    we were actually training on roof work and watched the video in our station today.

    Yes, they've got balls of STIHL!!

    Knowing the construction (i suppose old full diamensional lumber) that was likely a solid assembly they were on top of.

    Would we go there? Not likely in the suburbs, knowing our newer construction here.
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    Good video. A couple of the biggest factors in deciding between go/no-go are construction type, like you said, ffmed, and color/velocity/volume/density of smoke. If you've got yellowish-brown smoke, you've most likely got involvement in the structural members. This roof was definitely tenable, and L-19 set a good example of getting up, making the cut and getting the hell off. I've seen too many lost, or nearly lost fires blamed on conditions, when the actual culprit was slow reaction.

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    Great work Houston Ladder 19.

    Oh and to answer your question, yes the truck I work on would have been on that roof popping the top as well.

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    Notice the fan. Houston have adopted the aggressive interior attack method, the truckers are apparently quite aggressive also! I want these guys when my house goes alight.

    I can't say for sure, but in our area, we might have ventilated from an aerial platform and that takes a bit more time to get there and all set up. But then, I'm neither battalion/chief nor do I know all the details.

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    NOPE The level of training level and proficiency is just not there yet on our vollie department. The city would likely try to pop it from a stick. Knowing the construction, the fire conditions, and what will happen if we don't crack the sky I would push for it....But, it would have to be the right group of guys on scene for us to try it. We just don't have enough roof monkeys with truck in thier blood yet.
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    I'm a firm believer in the old fireman's adage
    Vent early, vent often!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    I'm a firm believer in the old fireman's adage
    Vent early, vent often, VENT BIG!!!!
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    Hard to say. The video only shows the front, and there is venting coming out of the rafters in the front. The other thing to consider is this house is a total loss. With that much smoke the interior will have to b gutted, the video shows the siding will have to be replaced. And with that much heat the shingles are shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Hard to say. The video only shows the front, and there is venting coming out of the rafters in the front. The other thing to consider is this house is a total loss. With that much smoke the interior will have to b gutted, the video shows the siding will have to be replaced. And with that much heat the shingles are shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Hard to say. The video only shows the front, and there is venting coming out of the rafters in the front. The other thing to consider is this house is a total loss. With that much smoke the interior will have to b gutted, the video shows the siding will have to be replaced. And with that much heat the shingles are shot.

    What are we insurance adjusters??

    Protect life and PROPERTY, That's what we're ALL supposed to do. Your defensive nature is showing through again...

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    I would have driven right by. Did yall not see that those house was really on fire. Its not like the academy fires.

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    would have been defensive at my dept. We don't have the skill/leadership to do more than save the neighbor's house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloBlitz View Post
    What are we insurance adjusters??

    Protect life and PROPERTY, That's what we're ALL supposed to do. Your defensive nature is showing through again...
    Correct Protect LIFE and property. You can replace property, much harder to replace a life.

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    Why is someone who does not even understand any of the basics of firefighting, even attempting to weigh in on anything in a forum that addresses both basic and more advanced firefighting techniques?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocVBFDE14 View Post
    Why is someone who does not even understand any of the basics of firefighting, even attempting to weigh in on anything in a forum that addresses both basic and more advanced firefighting techniques?
    Well obviously, you didn't weigh in. So no problem.

    No go away and play with your school yard friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Well obviously, you didn't weigh in. So no problem.

    No go away and play with your school yard friends.
    You have proven time and time again that youre not even a firefighter. So please, for all of us, just shut up.
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    Hey scarey, what's the ISO rating for your dept.??

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloBlitz View Post
    Hey scarey, what's the ISO rating for your dept.??
    5 in the hydranted areas, 9 elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    You have proven time and time again that youre not even a firefighter. So please, for all of us, just shut up.
    From the mouths of babes.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    5 in the hydranted areas, 9 elsewhere.
    nevermind let it burn............

    Worked before right??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    From the mouths of babes.......

    * deleted, not worth the effort *
    Only a gutless coward would edit a post. And thats exactly what you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Only a gutless coward would edit a post. And thats exactly what you are.
    ScareCrow57 = OWNED

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    That ventialtion job wokred very well on this fire. But where I work if it was a contents fire and not in the attic and they breeched the attic by vertical ventilating then we just opened a big can of worms and made a much bigger fire then we ever wanted. Ventilation has it's place and time, be it horizontal or vertical, and several factors determine which is the best for a specific fire. Coordination is the key though in the end.

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    I would suggest, for aggressive ventilation ..... OPA with a BVM ...... you mean for a fire ..??.. i thought firemen only did medical now ??

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    Amazing effect of venting!
    I would like to know more on the fire load and were the working fire was inside the structure, but for sure is a beautiful example of how venting affects fire and smoke behaviour.

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