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    Quote Originally Posted by volff1170 View Post
    We received a grant for a vehicle exhaust system for 5 bays, 6 trucks. The original grant was for $83k, which included all the necessary equipment for a new station that we are planning, with 6 double-deep, pull-thru bays. DHS cut it back to $50k. We decided to get just enough for our current station.
    Did you ask for the equipment to use in 6 bays or 5 bays?

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    Frankely, when dealing with sales, the seller/retailer/manufacturer needs to sell at a decent price. If he sells a product for too high a margin it causes hard feelings on the side of the buyer. If the seller discounts the price too much and doesn't make a decent profit, it causes hard feelings on the behalf of the seller. The seller needs and should make a decent profit is the hard fact. Too often buyers expect the seller to practically give the product away. In addition there are other factors within purchasing. Reputation of the dealer/retailer. Ease and willingness of them to assist if there is a problem. If freight or shipping is involved, buyers need to understand that they need to be responsible for those costs. Especially if a discounted sale price is involved. Something I have noticed with the costs of products within the fire service, that the products seem to be retail + +. Kinda like medical. I'm not sure where the average markups are, but guess that apparatus is on the lower end of the scale while equipment is probably on the upper end. I've never been on sales end in the fire service, only the customer.
    So as far as the sales rep for the exhaust system is concerned, you may have just found out the market price on the upper end and the lower end. Valuable experience to you and valuable to us now. Thanx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    I can't understand why you would even consider this company at this point.

    Interoperability in an exhaust system? Come on....

    Why is it, it seems the exhaust market seems to have more than its fair share of....shady sales people?
    I agree with you about not even considering their company now, but I am just a captain and the chief has the final say. Unfortunately he doesn't care enough to even meet these sales people... but that is another issue.

    The interoperability part is the fact that most of the other local departments use this same company, thus the same connections on the apparatus exhaust pipes will all work the same. We utilize many box alarms in our area because of staffing issues. Often we have surrounding departments "fill-in" at our station if we are on an extended call. It kinda makes sense since they could use the same system when they fill in.

    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Did you ask for the equipment to use in 6 bays or 5 bays?
    In the grant application, we asked for money to fund the system for the new station, 6 pull thru bays. Since being cut back, we are just funding 5 back-in bays in our existing station... one bay has 2 vehicles, so there are 6 drops in 5 bays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by volff1170 View Post
    In the grant application, we asked for money to fund the system for the new station, 6 pull thru bays. Since being cut back, we are just funding 5 back-in bays in our existing station... one bay has 2 vehicles, so there are 6 drops in 5 bays.
    Did AFG OK the change from 6 to 5? If you specified 6, they intend for you to install the system in 6 bays unless they specify otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    Did AFG OK the change from 6 to 5? If you specified 6, they intend for you to install the system in 6 bays unless they specify otherwise.
    Yes, the funding we got from AFG was excess funds that came back to them. There were lengthy discussions with them regarding all of that and they OK'd it.

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    That's because putting things into stations that aren't built yet isn't allowed. So they had to cut you back or deny altogether.

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