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    Hello all,
    I am writing this in an attempt to find information about challenging the ISO rating. My city fire department recently took over fire protection for a neighboring township. This township currently has a ISO rating of 10 and our city has a rating of 6. I am looking for anyone who has knowledge about how to go about raising the ISO rating in the newly aquired township. Please, if anyone has information, email me at lfd_investigator@yahoo.com

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    As far as I know, you can request a rating.

    At least, that is how it works here with the system in La.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFDLt4360 View Post
    Hello all,
    I am writing this in an attempt to find information about challenging the ISO rating. My city fire department recently took over fire protection for a neighboring township. This township currently has a ISO rating of 10 and our city has a rating of 6. I am looking for anyone who has knowledge about how to go about raising the ISO rating in the newly aquired township. Please, if anyone has information, email me at lfd_investigator@yahoo.com

    Thank you,
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    You can't raise it - a 10 is as bad as it gets.
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    Your FD's rating might actually go down with the acquisition of the duties of fire protection for the neighboring township.

    Unless your FD is willing to spend lot of money to upgrade equipment, build stations and add personnel, the best you can hope for is split rate.
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    give ISO a call and see what the scoring was per category prior to the aquisition of the township to your corage.

    also look up the "isoslayer's" web site and read what they have to say. get familiar with what ISO is looking for. You should be able to get a 9 almost immediatley and then work from there.
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    yes as said above areas with in 5 road miles of any of your stations should become class 9.

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    We just took over another district. All residences within 7 road miles of our closest existing station automatically assumed our rating.

    They went from a 10 to a 3.

    The remiander of the district will become a 3 when we re-rate in 3 years.

    This is in Louisiana where we use a non-ISO system. ISO may be different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    We just took over another district. All residences within 7 road miles of our closest existing station automatically assumed our rating.

    They went from a 10 to a 3.

    The remiander of the district will become a 3 when we re-rate in 3 years.

    This is in Louisiana where we use a non-ISO system. ISO may be different.
    10 being the Bo Derek of fire protection and the 3 being somethin akin to Carol Kane's role in the Princess Bride?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    We just took over another district. All residences within 7 road miles of our closest existing station automatically assumed our rating.

    They went from a 10 to a 3.

    The remiander of the district will become a 3 when we re-rate in 3 years.

    This is in Louisiana where we use a non-ISO system. ISO may be different.
    This goes to show that all of Louisiana is screwed up, not just your parish.
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    How do you get a 3? We actually go interior and we're a 4. YBYB's seldom do much better than a 9.Something isn't right here, there's no points for boo boo busses. T.c.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    How do you get a 3? We actually go interior and we're a 4. YBYB's seldom do much better than a 9.Something isn't right here, there's no points for boo boo busses. T.c.
    But 101, that would be assuming that ISO actually has anything real to do with fire fighting. It doesn't. ISO is about paperwork....plain and simple. If it's documented....you get points. You don't have to actually be able to do anything....you just need the paperwork that says you can.


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    We are a 3.

    We were only a few points short of a 2 when we were rated 3 years ago. Those areas have been addressed for the most part and it is likely we will be rated as a 2 when we are rated again in 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    This is in Louisiana where we use a non-ISO system. ISO may be different.



    Can you explain why my dept (Baton Rouge) has an ISO rating if we don't use the ISO system? I don't understand this.
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    We are rated under the Louisiana Property Insurance rating system. I was under the impression that the entire state was rated under this system.

    While similiar to ISO, there are many differences.

    It's possible that the cities are rated under ISO, but I didn't think so. I would be very curious as to why Baton Rouge has an ISO rating.

    Inquire if you would and let me know.

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    I'll look into it.

    I do know we've had our rating since 1980.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    But 101, that would be assuming that ISO actually has anything real to do with fire fighting. It doesn't. ISO is about paperwork....plain and simple. If it's documented....you get points. You don't have to actually be able to do anything....you just need the paperwork that says you can.


    ISO and their ratings are a joke.


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