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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Do you see any of those statements (or myself) stating these people shouldn't be allowed to speak out or protest?

    Your confusing criticism of speech with the restriction of speech.
    I am not confusing anything. Just calling you out on your choice of whom you criticize.

    You never denounce those of the Democrat or liberal persuasion and their protests and choices of speech.......only Libertarians, Republicans, or conservatives when we speak out.

    And I never said that you were saying they should not be allowed to speak out or protest - just that you only criticize those with an opposing political view to yours. Your ideology continues to blind you and shows your hypocricy. So predictable.......yet you imply that we are the ones without an open mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    I am not confusing anything. Just calling you out on your choice of whom you criticize.
    Maybe because I'm not unhappy with those I don't criticize.

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    You never denounce those of the Democrat or liberal persuasion and their protests and choices of speech.......only Libertarians, Republicans, or conservatives when we speak out.
    Ain't freedom grand?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    And I never said that you were saying they should not be allowed to speak out or protest - just that you only criticize those with an opposing political view to yours. Your ideology continues to blind you and shows your hypocricy. So predictable.......yet you imply that we are the ones without an open mind.
    See above post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Perhaps your memory is short and you have not been paying attention, but people have been growing increasingly upset, and the "Main Stream Media" is just now finally paying some attention to them.

    And when the Medicare benefit was being debated, there was a whole *****storm of debate and protest going on.
    Really? I'm sure you can link me to stories of town hall meetings being shut down by angry protestors. Or gun toting individuals bellyaching about tyranny and loss of freedom.

    Would love to reread them.

    The MMA ( as it was called) was signed into law in 2003. There were no protests or outrage of the magnitude we are seeing in the days leading up to its passage. Nor did we ever see the vocal opposition from anyone (conservatives or liberals) over the spending bills signed into law by the Bush Administration via a GOP majority congress. In fact, just one year later, conservatives were extolling Bush for his visionary leadership and pushing him towards re-election. I guess they had short memories on his socialistic agenda and encroaching tyranny.

    Lastly, the status quo with the health care issue in our society is not sustainable, and none of the opposition brings a viable alternative to the discussion. Only hyperbole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Easily. The yardstick being applied by this gun toting individual is that we are slowly losing our freedoms due to the programs being enacted by the Obama Administration. In my opinion the majority of them are not representatives of a true grassroots revolt against liberal policies. If that were the case they would have been out demonstrating against the Medicare drug benefit, the Sarbanes-Oxley bill, and all the pork-barrel spending that Bush refused to veto.

    Yet now all of a sudden they are concerned about socialism.
    Guess you need to go watch the interview again. Americans are fed up with this slippery slope we have been on for over 100 years. This guy doesn't blame Obama at all, he blames them all. Republicans, Democrats alike. You are so biased in your thinking that you have trouble separating reality form your fiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Really? I'm sure you can link me to stories of town hall meetings being shut down by angry protestors. Or gun toting individuals bellyaching about tyranny and loss of freedom.

    Would love to reread them.

    The MMA ( as it was called) was signed into law in 2003. There were no protests or outrage of the magnitude we are seeing in the days leading up to its passage. Nor did we ever see the vocal opposition from anyone (conservatives or liberals) over the spending bills signed into law by the Bush Administration via a GOP majority congress. In fact, just one year later, conservatives were extolling Bush for his visionary leadership and pushing him towards re-election. I guess they had short memories on his socialistic agenda and encroaching tyranny.

    Lastly, the status quo with the health care issue in our society is not sustainable, and none of the opposition brings a viable alternative to the discussion. Only hyperbole.
    The reason is that the republicans lean to the left, the Democrats tilt to the left. There is a heightened response to the much greater push. But trust me, these people, including myself, we around before Obama. Look at people like Ron Paul or the Libertarian party. They have been there, it is just that the Socialist have tended to ignore them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Considering the rural areas benefit from the programs funded by urban areas (ie crop subsidies) this is a quite a disconnect. Especially considering it was government that forced utility companies to install electricity out in the urban areas when the market forces determined it was unprofitable. You still focused on FDR 70+ years ago. Were it not for the largesse of federal programs, the midwest would be just so much dust blowing back and forth the last 60 years. That would be the Plains not the Midwest Mr. Grapes of Wrath. Read that last semester?
    Eat anything today muttonboy (comes from your sheep)? Perhaps you and the rest of the proletariat have benefited the the leftist's long running program of cheap "bread".

    You really don't know diddly about much, but certainly about geography or economics on the US. Next summer have your mommy take you on a driving vacation somewhere East of The Castro District. No Interstate, tourist traps, or chain fast food. The Midwest rural economy is very diversified and doing pretty well. Self supporting Despite Obama and his wackos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    conservatives were extolling Bush for his visionary leadership and pushing him towards re-election. I guess they had short memories on his socialistic agenda and encroaching tyranny..
    President Bush was not the choice of Conservatives in 2000 but many were pleasantly surpised by his decent performance 9/12 and internationally. Perhaps you'll give the points to Dick Cheney. When you've found and met a conservative perhaps then you can preach on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    Eat anything today muttonboy (comes from your sheep)? Perhaps you and the rest of the proletariat have benefited the the leftist's long running program of cheap "bread".

    You really don't know diddly about much, but certainly about geography or economics on the US. Next summer have your mommy take you on a driving vacation somewhere East of The Castro District. No Interstate, tourist traps, or chain fast food. The Midwest rural economy is very diversified and doing pretty well. Self supporting Despite Obama and his wackos.
    Funny how rural Americans are more self sufficient and Urbanites need to depend on the Government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    President Bush was not the choice of Conservatives in 2000 but many were pleasantly surpised by his decent performance 9/12 and internationally. Perhaps you'll give the points to Dick Cheney. When you've found and met a conservative perhaps then you can preach on the subject.
    His Approval rating shot up to 70% March 21, 2009. Something to do with the Invasion of Iraq. After 8 years of bashing by the liberals no wonder he was looked down on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Funny how rural Americans are more self sufficient and Urbanites need to depend on the Government.
    Been proven numerous times the opposite is true. Taxes are generated in the urban areas to subsidize rural areas.

    I listed several.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    Eat anything today muttonboy (comes from your sheep)? Perhaps you and the rest of the proletariat have benefited the the leftist's long running program of cheap "bread".

    You really don't know diddly about much, but certainly about geography or economics on the US. Next summer have your mommy take you on a driving vacation somewhere East of The Castro District. No Interstate, tourist traps, or chain fast food. The Midwest rural economy is very diversified and doing pretty well. Self supporting Despite Obama and his wackos.
    And with the crop subsidies that come to the rural areas courtesy of the US taxpayer. The majority of whom live in the urban areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    President Bush was not the choice of Conservatives in 2000 but many were pleasantly surpised by his decent performance 9/12 and internationally. Perhaps you'll give the points to Dick Cheney. When you've found and met a conservative perhaps then you can preach on the subject.
    Then who was the conservatives choice, and why didn't they support that person in 2004?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Would that be the same vocal minority that represents the environmental movement and protest at the G8 summits? Would this be the same vocal minority that says some races are getting preferential treatment on things like standardized exams? Is this the same vocal minority that protested the Iraq war in the beginning?

    As fro the poll numbers, they keep slipping away. Obama will be a one and done and the Democrats will take a beating in the next election.
    Morris County, NJ is such an interesting place to live.

    I alao worked a security detail for a conference center where there was a meeting of a sub committee of the World Bank. These protestors were among the most vile, nasty people you would ever come across. They advocated strong violence and went so far as to attempt to break in to the conference center. Their projectile of choice was D batteries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Really? I'm sure you can link me to stories of town hall meetings being shut down by angry protestors. Or gun toting individuals bellyaching about tyranny and loss of freedom.

    Would love to reread them.

    The MMA ( as it was called) was signed into law in 2003. There were no protests or outrage of the magnitude we are seeing in the days leading up to its passage. Nor did we ever see the vocal opposition from anyone (conservatives or liberals) over the spending bills signed into law by the Bush Administration via a GOP majority congress. In fact, just one year later, conservatives were extolling Bush for his visionary leadership and pushing him towards re-election. I guess they had short memories on his socialistic agenda and encroaching tyranny.

    Lastly, the status quo with the health care issue in our society is not sustainable, and none of the opposition brings a viable alternative to the discussion. Only hyperbole.
    There was never an occassion where a conservative speaker was shouted down and chased out of a college lecture hall because the speakers' views were contrary to their own?

    There was never an anti-war protest where the protestors advicated a violent overthrow of the US Government?

    Pres. Bush's re-election effort was as much driven by his opponent as any other single factor. That much is indisputable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Been proven numerous times the opposite is true. Taxes are generated in the urban areas to subsidize rural areas.

    I listed several.
    Hurricane Katrina proved the dependency of the urbanites on the government. They wouldn't have taken a crap with someone from the gov't telling them (or paying them) to do it.

    Numerous natural disasters in rural areas, where neighbors help neighbors have proved the corollary.

    Your tax generation theory is seriously flawed. The greater Newark, NJ area would be a great example of your theory being dead wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Then who was the conservatives choice, and why didn't they support that person in 2004?
    Conservatives were shut out of the last election. There was such a backlash by people who bought into your parties "neo-con" BS that it ran over into the GOP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    There was never an anti-war protest where the protestors advicated a violent overthrow of the US Government?
    Probably not. At least here they were too busy picking up their own sh*t, so they could throw their feces through the windows of US Army recruiting stations.
    Or, they were too busy slashing the tires of Republican party members who were driving elderly and disadvantaged people to vote, who had no transportation. (A US House of Representatives son, no less)

    And yes, I was being sarcastic; I know plenty of lefty protests here that wanted "regime change" for the US.

    That's all patriotic, but to ask questions about nationalizing health care is anti-American.

    I recently attended a town-hall forum here, on Wednesday 11 AUG 2009, in which the SEIU had members outright trying to intimidate anyone who carried an opposition sign, or in some way expressed opposition to Gwen Moore, the representative who held the forum.
    Absolutely disgusting, and it made me embarrassed to be a union member and a part of the AFL-CIO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post

    Your tax generation theory is seriously flawed. The greater Newark, NJ area would be a great example of your theory being dead wrong.
    It's proven false here, as well. The city of Milwaukee draws almost 75% of it's annual operating budget from sources other than city property taxes. That means that shared revenue from the state of Wisconsin as well as the US Federal government is the primary source of funding for the city, itself.
    All city departments here are extremely dependent on grants and other "stimulus" funds from the Federal government.

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    Though the President was in the vicinity,it seems to me to still be a local PD concern.Besides,not many people can hit a man sized target with an iron sighted handgun at 1000 +/- feet.Like others said,I am sure this guy was watched very closely,most likely by some sharpshooter and his spotter who already had his scope focused on him and green light authorization.
    As to crop subsidies and rural electrification,what will city dwellers eat if farmers don't have the power to move their crops from truck to silo and back again before running them over to the local corn milling plant?How will they keep the cows milked in quantities needed to support millions without electricity?For those who haven't done it,there are two rules to miliking a cow.1.Never grab hold on a cold day before warming your hands. 2.You can't milk her by hand fast enough to keep your grandfather off your back about it.
    Folks in rural areas can do better without cities than cities can do without rural areas working to feed them.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Okay. Obama has definitely lost ground in the polls. The flip side to that is the GOP hasn't gained any ground.
    Considering the rural areas benefit from the programs funded by urban areas (ie crop subsidies) this is a quite a disconnect. Especially considering it was government that forced utility companies to install electricity out in the urban areas when the market forces determined it was unprofitable. Were it not for the largesse of federal programs, the midwest would be just so much dust blowing back and forth the last 60 years.
    Might be because urban folks know the second half of the quote and believe idiots like Kostric might view them as tyrants.
    See above post. The definition of tyranny by these folks is a bit too narrow for me.

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    Memphis is also trying to make up budget losses by annexing more and more of Shelby County.People who live in the county are starting to be called racist for NOT wanting to be annexed into a city that they left due to mayoral and other political stupidity.
    Cities that can't use the money that they already tax out of the people to actually run the city need a change in leadership.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    It's proven false here, as well. The city of Milwaukee draws almost 75% of it's annual operating budget from sources other than city property taxes. That means that shared revenue from the state of Wisconsin as well as the US Federal government is the primary source of funding for the city, itself.
    All city departments here are extremely dependent on grants and other "stimulus" funds from the Federal government.

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