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    Does anyone else have a problem with these new forward mounted nirrors that pierce is using. There have been claims that these new style of mirrors are supposed to be the new thing in visibilty. I cant stand them. And my self and others are having issues with them. How are they working out for others?

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    I have heard similar claims. Apparently they are difficult to get good depth perception in and block forward field of vision (according to what I hear).

    They are rediculous looking too.

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    I cant stand them. Several of my fellow firefighters all agree. They do not improve visibility, you cant see your rear tires to help judge curbs, the depth preception is horible because the mirror is farther away to look at, yes they do have vibration, when backing it gives you a view of an off angle which it hard to back.

    I agree that no mirror will ever be perfect. However these new 111 eleven mirrors are a joke. If you read about them on the pierce web site, it says that it elimintates 8 inches of width! WHY? When vehicle manufactures that build 1 ton trucks like ford, chevy, dodge, and even the new nissan titan are offering mirrors that extend out for better visibility when towing. Then why would you move them in 8 inches on a 40 foot fire truck? Makes no sense.

    I say stick with what works.

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    I cant stand them either! At least you can still get standard mirrors.

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    Ah..yes. We call them the "grasshopper" mirrors. Everyone hates them. Our current spec's removes them all together. The biggest issue is that there is one heck of blind spot on the left side when going through intersections and making a right hand turn. For anyone interested in removing them and replacing them with an alternate, be prepared to fork out about $7,000.00 to complete the job.

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    One solution I've seen recently is to have a traditional door mounted mirror on the driver's side, and a cab mounted bus mirror on the officer side.

    On the officer's side, the Captain can't block your view of the mirror, cause it's in front of the A-post. No, it isn't symmetrical, but it seems quite practical.
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    While they're not on a Pierce, our Spartan/Smeal has the bus type mirrors. Only real difference is they mount on the bottom instead of the top. I was on the committee for the truck and when we went to Smeal we saw a tiller tractor with these so we took a look. We liked them so we changed the spec.

    Result, guys hate them. Main reason stated is the depth perception. As a result we probably won't get them on our next truck.

    Personally I like them because they stick out about the same amount as the extended bumper so you have a built in marker. They are in a natural line of vision and the person in the officer seat can't block your view. I do think it has a lot to do with how you have them set. Have noticed when I work that my settings are different than other people of same general build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFWALT View Post
    While they're not on a Pierce, our Spartan/Smeal has the bus type mirrors. Only real difference is they mount on the bottom instead of the top. I was on the committee for the truck and when we went to Smeal we saw a tiller tractor with these so we took a look. We liked them so we changed the spec.

    Result, guys hate them. Main reason stated is the depth perception. As a result we probably won't get them on our next truck.

    Personally I like them because they stick out about the same amount as the extended bumper so you have a built in marker. They are in a natural line of vision and the person in the officer seat can't block your view. I do think it has a lot to do with how you have them set. Have noticed when I work that my settings are different than other people of same general build.



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    Our mirrors are heated and remote controlled. That's how I change the settings so they work for me. They are different to get used to but I don't mind them.
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