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    I think he is an OK leader so far.

    People are all over him for changing his stance on health care, but for me part of being a good leader is being flexible. A leader that compromises will be more effective than a leader that stands his ground and gets nothing done. Personally I feel that the nut-jobs of Pelosi & Co. are making it harder for Obama than it needs to be.

    He did great during the Pirate Hostage situation.

    I do believe he appointed someone qualified and smart to the supreme court (regardless of ideological viewpoint).

    Whatever your personal standpoint is on government/private enterprise mixing, he is trying to get the car industry of the ground (outcome pending).

    We are doing alright in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    We got our Journalists back from N. Korea.

    While Iran and N. Korea are acting up, we have not started an invasion. I honestly believe that under G. "Axis of Evil" Bush we would already be in more wars.

    He is standing up to Israel a bit, instead of treating them like a spoiled child and always blaming Palestinians. (positive in my viewpoint, but I'm sure that a negative for many).

    It's not even been a year, lots of stuff can still happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    At this point in his presidency neither had Bush. He was too busy at his faux ranch in Crawford clearing brush and ignoring PDB that detailed intel on the possibility of terrorists hijacking airplanes and crashing them into buildings.

    On a separate note. Reagan is regarded as a great leader. Fair enough. However, conservatives had deified him to the point where he bares little resemblance to the way he actually governed versus how he is remembered.
    You mean like Clinton ignored the warnings that bin Laden was the greatest threat facing the nation?

    And what politician is not remembered differently than how he truly was?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    He did great during the Pirate Hostage situation.
    By waiting a week to authorize force?

    I do believe he appointed someone qualified and smart to the supreme court (regardless of ideological viewpoint).
    Most judges are smart...and all are qualified Constitutionally. I disagree with the choice, but it is the President's option. I do think there was a bit of a double-standard, but so be it.

    Whatever your personal standpoint is on government/private enterprise mixing, he is trying to get the car industry of the ground (outcome pending).
    Get it off the ground? He bought it on behalf of the US people and the UAW.

    We are doing alright in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    I may be wrong, but in my local paper, it seems like bombings and unrest are increasing in Iraq since the latest draw down.

    We got our Journalists back from N. Korea.
    Bill Clinton got them back. Kudos to Obama for recognizing who could suceed? Maybe. Shame on Obama for not having ANYONE in his Administration who could accomplish the same thing? Maybe.

    While Iran and N. Korea are acting up, we have not started an invasion. I honestly believe that under G. "Axis of Evil" Bush we would already be in more wars.
    A North Korean invasion will be the new WW3. Even the loons there recognize that if we concentrate our national military might on their nation in a full, conventional war, we will obliterate what little is left of their economy.

    And even Cheney is smart enough to recognize our military cannot handle another military action of the sort we have now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemanjb View Post
    You mean like Clinton ignored the warnings that bin Laden was the greatest threat facing the nation?
    He went after Bin Laden several times. His NSC Director made a point of detailing the Bin Laden threat to the incoming administration and was ignored.


    Quote Originally Posted by firemanjb View Post
    And what politician is not remembered differently than how he truly was?
    Difference is Reagan's actions (his record prior to being elected president) would have gotten him kicked to the curb by today's GOP. Not only did he sign one of the most liberal abortion laws while governor he also enacted the largest tax increase (by percentage) in the history of the state.

    During his first term as president he did reduce income tax rates but also eliminated tax deductions in other areas. That would have drawn the ire of the tax hating wing of the GOP.

    And while he postured about abortion, Social Security, welfare, and Medicare reform he did nothing to change or reform any of those issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemanjb View Post
    By waiting a week to authorize force?
    Taking advice from his commanders, he authorized force when the Seal Team was on station and in position to execute the actions that resulted in the hostage being freed.

    Reading, it's FUNdamental.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So a leader isn't really tested until he (or she) has been subjected to a foreign crisis?

    Given that as a yardstick, Bush was a failure.
    This is not about Pres. Bush. This is about Pres. Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Given that he inherited a country engaged in two wars and an economy in meltdown I believe he's doing a great job.

    Bush inherited peace and prosperity and passed off just the opposite.

    When Obama was sworn in, the market plummetted to about 6500. Many were saying the market was voting on his presence with a lack of confidence. I think one of those was our very own idiotboy. I'm feeling too lazy to search for the post, so it could've been someone else. One pundit went so far to say Obama was the greatest wealth destroyer he'd ever witnessed. Now the market is up over 9500 and all of those detractors are mum on the subject. He was getting hammered for the market tanking, but is given none for its recovery.
    This is not about Pres. Bush. It is about Pres. Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Imagine if Reagan used a Tele-prompter.

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    This is not about Pres. Reagan. It is about Pres. Obama.
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    I made a serious error. I thought that there could be a serious discussion about the leadership qualities of our current president that were brought up in another thread on here. Instead, as I should have expected, the discussion degenerated into rants regarding irrelevant BS about past presidents. I guess I underestimated the ability to have a rational discourse here.

    I'm done. Go back to your inane backbiting.
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    Thank you fro bring things back on track. It was about Obama and his leadership qualities (or lack there of) until one certain liberal tried his redirection again. Seems that liberals in general have a problem with focus and seeing the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Thank you fro bring things back on track. It was about Obama and his leadership qualities (or lack there of) until one certain liberal tried his redirection again. Seems that liberals in general have a problem with focus and seeing the picture.
    IT wasn't just sc, Mr. Holier-than-thou. It was YOU TOO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    This is not about Pres. Reagan. It is about Pres. Obama.

    So, it's not okay to compare Obama's style to another president?

    I think it's fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    So, it's not okay to compare Obama's style to another president?

    I think it's fine.

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    Go back and read the thread again. If you believe that is what was really happening, yeah, it's fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    I made a serious error. I thought that there could be a serious discussion about the leadership qualities of our current president that were brought up in another thread on here. Instead, as I should have expected, the discussion degenerated into rants regarding irrelevant BS about past presidents. I guess I underestimated the ability to have a rational discourse here.

    I'm done. Go back to your inane backbiting.
    Fair enough. The main criticism here about being a good versus a bad leader has been the lack of oratory skills when speaking from a podium.

    Is that the main quality now considered to be whether a leader is considered good or bad?
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    So, you have made a statement.

    A statement that you are incapable of holding an adult conversation.

    A statement that you are nothing more than a troll.

    And I disagree with Pres. Obama's more than you do. Imagine what the libs will have to say about your juvenile nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    So, you have made a statement.

    A statement that you are incapable of holding an adult conversation.

    A statement that you are nothing more than a troll.

    And I disagree with Pres. Obama's more than you do. Imagine what the libs will have to say about your juvenile nonsense.
    I simple "No" would have been more constructive than the actual post he made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    A statement that you are incapable of holding an adult conversation.
    I make them all the time, but the libs on this board are incapable of addressing them with facts, rather conjecture, rhetoric, and trumped up statements.

    For example, when challenged with facts like those found here, all liberals can say is that "greed" and lack of regulation caused our recession. They're incapable of moving past that.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    A statement that you are nothing more than a troll.
    Oh I was obviously a troll when I posted all this detailed flow data on intake valves.
    And I was a Troll again when I did a followup test with a different set of valves on a truck with larger pump here.
    And my thread on maximizing a hydrant with LDH instead of 2½” hose was the epitome of trollology.
    And who could forget me posting my experiences with a TurboDraft?
    Or here about shutting down a hot engine.
    Or here about keeping a pump cool.
    Or here and here about calculating GPM in hose based on water velocity during a pump service test.
    Or here concerning intake hose arrangement for a pump service test.
    Or here making a flashlight recommendation.
    Or here where I compare the merits of a LED flashlight versus an incandescent.
    Or here where I started a thread on the 2009 edition of NFPA 1901.
    Or here concerning the fireground hydraulics issues contributing to the Charleston, SC fatalities.
    Or here where I address the merits of a 5,000 psi hydraulic rescue tool versus a 10,500 psi tool.
    Or here where I mention the differences between a turbine driven PTO, and a flywheel driven PTO.
    Or here where I compare the theoretical friction loss of dual 3" versus a single 4".
    Or here where I talk about my experience with Lasik.
    Or here where I clarify the difference between the requirements, and recommendations, of NFPA 1901.
    Or here where I talk about my Dept's use of 7¼" hose.
    Or here where I discuss way to exceed the rated capacity of your pump.
    Or here where I started a thread discussing the merits of switching from Pressure Governors back to Manual Throttle/PRV's.
    Or here where I comment on the construction of a service test pit.
    Or here where I clarify the term "sporting purpose", and how it is applied only to import, semi-automatic firearms.
    Or here where I make a recommendation on a breathing air compressor and it's storage vessel.
    Or here where I back-calculated scfire86's jointly filed 2007 AGI based on his statement that him and his wife made too much money to qualify for a stimulus check.

    Yeah, your right George, I have nothing to contribute to these forums.

    Put a sock in it you crybaby. You're just jealous that there's a conservative on here who's smarter and wittier (and likely better looking) than you.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    And I disagree with Pres. Husseins more than you do.
    See, this only proves my point. You have some kind weird twisted desire to the most anti-Hussein person in these forums. My presence here challenges your status. Go ahead, wear the crown crybaby.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Imagine what the libs will have to say about your juvenile nonsense.
    They're going ape-shyt over it. They're foaming at the mouth, because the characterization is spot on. I've got my share of Hussein/Joker posters, and I'm legally putting them up every place I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    I make them all the time, but the libs on this board are incapable of addressing them with facts, rather conjecture, rhetoric, and trumped up statements.

    For example, when challenged with facts like those found here, all liberals can say is that "greed" and lack of regulation caused our recession. They're incapable of moving past that. Oh I was obviously a troll when I posted all this detailed flow data on intake valves.
    And I was a Troll again when I did a followup test with a different set of valves on a truck with larger pump here.
    And my thread on maximizing a hydrant with LDH instead of 2½” hose was the epitome of trollology.
    And who could forget me posting my experiences with a TurboDraft?
    Or here about shutting down a hot engine.
    Or here about keeping a pump cool.
    Or here and here about calculating GPM in hose based on water velocity during a pump service test.
    Or here concerning intake hose arrangement for a pump service test.
    Or here making a flashlight recommendation.
    Or here where I compare the merits of a LED flashlight versus an incandescent.
    Or here where I started a thread on the 2009 edition of NFPA 1901.
    Or here concerning the fireground hydraulics issues contributing to the Charleston, SC fatalities.
    Or here where I address the merits of a 5,000 psi hydraulic rescue tool versus a 10,500 psi tool.
    Or here where I mention the differences between a turbine driven PTO, and a flywheel driven PTO.
    Or here where I compare the theoretical friction loss of dual 3" versus a single 4".
    Or here where I talk about my experience with Lasik.
    Or here where I clarify the difference between the requirements, and recommendations, of NFPA 1901.
    Or here where I talk about my Dept's use of 7¼" hose.
    Or here where I discuss way to exceed the rated capacity of your pump.
    Or here where I started a thread discussing the merits of switching from Pressure Governors back to Manual Throttle/PRV's.
    Or here where I comment on the construction of a service test pit.
    Or here where I clarify the term "sporting purpose", and how it is applied only to import, semi-automatic firearms.
    Or here where I make a recommendation on a breathing air compressor and it's storage vessel.
    Or here where I back-calculated scfire86's jointly filed 2007 AGI based on his statement that him and his wife made too much money to qualify for a stimulus check.

    Yeah, your right George, I have nothing to contribute to these forums.

    Put a sock in it you crybaby. You're just jealous that there's a conservative on here who's smarter and wittier (and likely better looking) than you.See, this only proves my point. You have some kind weird twisted desire to the most anti-Hussein person in these forums. My presence here challenges your status. Go ahead, wear the crown crybaby.They're going ape-shyt over it. They're foaming at the mouth, because the characterization is spot on. I've got my share of Hussein/Joker posters, and I'm legally putting them up every place I can.

    Wow. I better bring my dog in at night.

    You need to see someone, dude. You are in dire need of help.
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