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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So a leader isn't really tested until he (or she) has been subjected to a foreign crisis?

    Given that as a yardstick, Bush was a failure.
    This is not about Pres. Bush. This is about Pres. Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Given that he inherited a country engaged in two wars and an economy in meltdown I believe he's doing a great job.

    Bush inherited peace and prosperity and passed off just the opposite.

    When Obama was sworn in, the market plummetted to about 6500. Many were saying the market was voting on his presence with a lack of confidence. I think one of those was our very own idiotboy. I'm feeling too lazy to search for the post, so it could've been someone else. One pundit went so far to say Obama was the greatest wealth destroyer he'd ever witnessed. Now the market is up over 9500 and all of those detractors are mum on the subject. He was getting hammered for the market tanking, but is given none for its recovery.
    This is not about Pres. Bush. It is about Pres. Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Imagine if Reagan used a Tele-prompter.

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    This is not about Pres. Reagan. It is about Pres. Obama.
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    I made a serious error. I thought that there could be a serious discussion about the leadership qualities of our current president that were brought up in another thread on here. Instead, as I should have expected, the discussion degenerated into rants regarding irrelevant BS about past presidents. I guess I underestimated the ability to have a rational discourse here.

    I'm done. Go back to your inane backbiting.
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    Thank you fro bring things back on track. It was about Obama and his leadership qualities (or lack there of) until one certain liberal tried his redirection again. Seems that liberals in general have a problem with focus and seeing the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Thank you fro bring things back on track. It was about Obama and his leadership qualities (or lack there of) until one certain liberal tried his redirection again. Seems that liberals in general have a problem with focus and seeing the picture.
    IT wasn't just sc, Mr. Holier-than-thou. It was YOU TOO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    This is not about Pres. Reagan. It is about Pres. Obama.

    So, it's not okay to compare Obama's style to another president?

    I think it's fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    So, it's not okay to compare Obama's style to another president?

    I think it's fine.

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    Go back and read the thread again. If you believe that is what was really happening, yeah, it's fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    I made a serious error. I thought that there could be a serious discussion about the leadership qualities of our current president that were brought up in another thread on here. Instead, as I should have expected, the discussion degenerated into rants regarding irrelevant BS about past presidents. I guess I underestimated the ability to have a rational discourse here.

    I'm done. Go back to your inane backbiting.
    Fair enough. The main criticism here about being a good versus a bad leader has been the lack of oratory skills when speaking from a podium.

    Is that the main quality now considered to be whether a leader is considered good or bad?
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    So, you have made a statement.

    A statement that you are incapable of holding an adult conversation.

    A statement that you are nothing more than a troll.

    And I disagree with Pres. Obama's more than you do. Imagine what the libs will have to say about your juvenile nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    So, you have made a statement.

    A statement that you are incapable of holding an adult conversation.

    A statement that you are nothing more than a troll.

    And I disagree with Pres. Obama's more than you do. Imagine what the libs will have to say about your juvenile nonsense.
    I simple "No" would have been more constructive than the actual post he made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    A statement that you are incapable of holding an adult conversation.
    I make them all the time, but the libs on this board are incapable of addressing them with facts, rather conjecture, rhetoric, and trumped up statements.

    For example, when challenged with facts like those found here, all liberals can say is that "greed" and lack of regulation caused our recession. They're incapable of moving past that.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    A statement that you are nothing more than a troll.
    Oh I was obviously a troll when I posted all this detailed flow data on intake valves.
    And I was a Troll again when I did a followup test with a different set of valves on a truck with larger pump here.
    And my thread on maximizing a hydrant with LDH instead of 2 hose was the epitome of trollology.
    And who could forget me posting my experiences with a TurboDraft?
    Or here about shutting down a hot engine.
    Or here about keeping a pump cool.
    Or here and here about calculating GPM in hose based on water velocity during a pump service test.
    Or here concerning intake hose arrangement for a pump service test.
    Or here making a flashlight recommendation.
    Or here where I compare the merits of a LED flashlight versus an incandescent.
    Or here where I started a thread on the 2009 edition of NFPA 1901.
    Or here concerning the fireground hydraulics issues contributing to the Charleston, SC fatalities.
    Or here where I address the merits of a 5,000 psi hydraulic rescue tool versus a 10,500 psi tool.
    Or here where I mention the differences between a turbine driven PTO, and a flywheel driven PTO.
    Or here where I compare the theoretical friction loss of dual 3" versus a single 4".
    Or here where I talk about my experience with Lasik.
    Or here where I clarify the difference between the requirements, and recommendations, of NFPA 1901.
    Or here where I talk about my Dept's use of 7" hose.
    Or here where I discuss way to exceed the rated capacity of your pump.
    Or here where I started a thread discussing the merits of switching from Pressure Governors back to Manual Throttle/PRV's.
    Or here where I comment on the construction of a service test pit.
    Or here where I clarify the term "sporting purpose", and how it is applied only to import, semi-automatic firearms.
    Or here where I make a recommendation on a breathing air compressor and it's storage vessel.
    Or here where I back-calculated scfire86's jointly filed 2007 AGI based on his statement that him and his wife made too much money to qualify for a stimulus check.

    Yeah, your right George, I have nothing to contribute to these forums.

    Put a sock in it you crybaby. You're just jealous that there's a conservative on here who's smarter and wittier (and likely better looking) than you.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    And I disagree with Pres. Husseins more than you do.
    See, this only proves my point. You have some kind weird twisted desire to the most anti-Hussein person in these forums. My presence here challenges your status. Go ahead, wear the crown crybaby.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Imagine what the libs will have to say about your juvenile nonsense.
    They're going ape-shyt over it. They're foaming at the mouth, because the characterization is spot on. I've got my share of Hussein/Joker posters, and I'm legally putting them up every place I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    I make them all the time, but the libs on this board are incapable of addressing them with facts, rather conjecture, rhetoric, and trumped up statements.

    For example, when challenged with facts like those found here, all liberals can say is that "greed" and lack of regulation caused our recession. They're incapable of moving past that. Oh I was obviously a troll when I posted all this detailed flow data on intake valves.
    And I was a Troll again when I did a followup test with a different set of valves on a truck with larger pump here.
    And my thread on maximizing a hydrant with LDH instead of 2 hose was the epitome of trollology.
    And who could forget me posting my experiences with a TurboDraft?
    Or here about shutting down a hot engine.
    Or here about keeping a pump cool.
    Or here and here about calculating GPM in hose based on water velocity during a pump service test.
    Or here concerning intake hose arrangement for a pump service test.
    Or here making a flashlight recommendation.
    Or here where I compare the merits of a LED flashlight versus an incandescent.
    Or here where I started a thread on the 2009 edition of NFPA 1901.
    Or here concerning the fireground hydraulics issues contributing to the Charleston, SC fatalities.
    Or here where I address the merits of a 5,000 psi hydraulic rescue tool versus a 10,500 psi tool.
    Or here where I mention the differences between a turbine driven PTO, and a flywheel driven PTO.
    Or here where I compare the theoretical friction loss of dual 3" versus a single 4".
    Or here where I talk about my experience with Lasik.
    Or here where I clarify the difference between the requirements, and recommendations, of NFPA 1901.
    Or here where I talk about my Dept's use of 7" hose.
    Or here where I discuss way to exceed the rated capacity of your pump.
    Or here where I started a thread discussing the merits of switching from Pressure Governors back to Manual Throttle/PRV's.
    Or here where I comment on the construction of a service test pit.
    Or here where I clarify the term "sporting purpose", and how it is applied only to import, semi-automatic firearms.
    Or here where I make a recommendation on a breathing air compressor and it's storage vessel.
    Or here where I back-calculated scfire86's jointly filed 2007 AGI based on his statement that him and his wife made too much money to qualify for a stimulus check.

    Yeah, your right George, I have nothing to contribute to these forums.

    Put a sock in it you crybaby. You're just jealous that there's a conservative on here who's smarter and wittier (and likely better looking) than you.See, this only proves my point. You have some kind weird twisted desire to the most anti-Hussein person in these forums. My presence here challenges your status. Go ahead, wear the crown crybaby.They're going ape-shyt over it. They're foaming at the mouth, because the characterization is spot on. I've got my share of Hussein/Joker posters, and I'm legally putting them up every place I can.

    Wow. I better bring my dog in at night.

    You need to see someone, dude. You are in dire need of help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    I've got my share of Hussein/Joker posters, and I'm legally putting them up every place I can.
    Good for you, makes you feel big and strong inside.

    If only I could post clever posters instead of arguments...



    ...wow, I just grew up to be just like you.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled "Is Obama a Leader" Thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Wow. I better bring my dog in at night.

    You need to see someone, dude. You are in dire need of help.
    I don't have a dog. But look into the east and look for a risen star. We agree on point two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonbat
    I've got my share of Hussein/Joker posters, and I'm legally putting them up every place I can.
    Do that. Despite your continued entertaining remarks on his citizenship, he's still president and will be at least until Jan. 2013. Possibly Jan. 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    IT wasn't just sc, Mr. Holier-than-thou. It was YOU TOO!
    Yes, I fell into his trap, my apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    So, it's not okay to compare Obama's style to another president?

    I think it's fine.

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    Comparison to others is for another place. This thread is about the lack of leadership shown so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Fair enough. The main criticism here about being a good versus a bad leader has been the lack of oratory skills when speaking from a podium.

    Is that the main quality now considered to be whether a leader is considered good or bad?
    A leader has a vision, makes the vision clear, and works to get to that vision. So far we don't know what the vision is nor do we know the direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Good for you, makes you feel big and strong inside.

    If only I could post clever posters instead of arguments...



    ...wow, I just grew up to be just like you.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled "Is Obama a Leader" Thread
    That is funny!!! Thanks.

    So the Obama is or is not a leader. Does anyone have examples of where he showed leadership?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Good for you, makes you feel big and strong inside.
    No, it reminds more and more people of the clown they elected, and the socialist agenda that he's pushing.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Wow. I better bring my dog in at night.
    Why, I love dogs. And you chose your dog, it didn't chose you, why would I hold that against him/her? Besides, why would I want to harm the smartest person in your house?
    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    You need to see someone, dude. You are in dire need of help.
    Talk about childish remarks. Stick to solving arson Deputy Fife, leave the diagnosis to people who have an IQ higher than their age.
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    I don't think his group uses the word "leader"...I think they prefer...."Revolutionary" instead...
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    So the Obama is or is not a leader. Does anyone have examples of where he showed leadership?
    By putting forth a demeanor that has restored faith in the market place. Managing two wars and economic crisis is not an easy task. The DJIA is up almost 50% since he took office when many conservative pundits were claiming the market place was voting as the DJIA plummetted to 6500. They were hammering him as the cause of the fall, but of course is not part of the reason why the DJIA has started to recover.

    You should know that since you cracked under the mere weight of a credit card agreement.
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