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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    I have to disagree here. Clinton had a chance to take out Bin Laden but stopped the exercise becuase the plane of a Saudi Prince was on the ground. After the terrorists hit the USS Cole Clinton completely dropped the ball and did nothing. He made feeble attempts like bombing an empty pharmaceutical factory. Most of his energies were devoted to taking the heat off of his own personal missteps by bombing the former Yugoslav republic into submission form 40,000 feet. Bombing has its place, but you have to wonder how many innocent lives were taken by doing this. Humanitarian my BUTT!!!
    Once again the illiterate try to rewrite history. As for the Cole, the FBI report didn't come out until December of 2000, and the Clinton Admin rightly left the dispatch of justice to come from the incoming Bush Admin, since it was a month or so before they arrived and the transition of power was taking place. On 11/02, we fired missiles at the two men who were the reported planners of the Cole attack, killing both. In March 2001 Al Qaeda sent to a videotape to news agencies claiming responsibility for the USS Cole and Bush did nothing. Does the almost two-year interval mean we were lax in retribution, or was this a measured response? How swift does retailiation need to be to meet your standard of promptness?

    Were you out of the room when several insiders--including Paul O'Neil--reported how the outgoing Clinton Admin attempted to warn the incoming Bush Admin about the threat of Osama bin Laden, and how the Bush Admin was instead fixated on Saddam?

    The same tired excuses of bombing an aspirin factory are exactly that. Give this one up. Repeating a myth over and over doesn't make it become fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    By RICHARD LARDNER and MONIKA MATHUR, Associated Press Writers Richard Lardner And Monika Mathur, Associated Press Writers – 1 hr 46 mins ago

    WASHINGTON – Georgia's Republican senators, Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson, voted against the $787 billion economic stimulus package, blasting the bill as a bloated government giveaway.
    Excellent post Marcus. Folks like idiotboy don't see the irony. Not surprising, he doesn't know much about anything except the behavior at his local DSS office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Except they didn't get caught doing anything illegal until after he left office. Unless you now believe anyone reporting extraordinary EPS should automatically be investigated.
    Exactly, once Bush took office they stopped looking the other way. They had Clinton in their hip pocket. He let them do whatever they wanted. Had the regulatory agencies paid attention under Clinton Enron and Worldcom would have been caught much earlier doing far less damage.

    Blah blah blah. What neglect on the terror front? This is another urban legend put forth by folks like you and moonbat and other idiots.
    It's in the 9-11 report, which becuase as you say, you are not a smart man, you probably didn't read nor understand. The Obama threat was grossly understated and Bush acted based on the information passed to him from his predecessor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I don't have the links handy. The Commerce Dept. detailed the recession you detail was a .4% shrink in GDP. It lasted less than six months. Not much of a recession at all considering Obama inherited a recession that had been in place about a year before he'd been elected.
    You forget how the economy was about to collapse after 9-11-2001 as people stayed home. Bush got out, and without spending a dime, revitalized the economy by getting people to get out a do something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Once again the illiterate try to rewrite history.
    Its all right here The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission)

    Unlike you, who thinks people don't need to read things, I do read.

    As for the Cole, the FBI report didn't come out until December of 2000, and the Clinton Admin rightly left the dispatch of justice to come from the incoming Bush Admin, since it was a month or so before they arrived and the transition of power was taking place. On 11/02, we fired missiles at the two men who were the reported planners of the Cole attack, killing both. In March 2001 Al Qaeda sent to a videotape to news agencies claiming responsibility for the USS Cole and Bush did nothing. Does the almost two-year interval mean we were lax in retribution, or was this a measured response? How swift does retailiation need to be to meet your standard of promptness?

    Gee, Your house is on fire, but our shift is over, so just wait for the next shift. Clinton was elected to do a job for 8 years, not seven years and 9 months. He had a duty to act and failed.
    Were you out of the room when several insiders--including Paul O'Neil--reported how the outgoing Clinton Admin attempted to warn the incoming Bush Admin about the threat of Osama bin Laden, and how the Bush Admin was instead fixated on Saddam?

    The same tired excuses of bombing an aspirin factory are exactly that. Give this one up. Repeating a myth over and over doesn't make it become fact.
    Imagine that, the outgoing administration in hindsight says we told you so

    But enough about the great Bush and the Clinton Failure. This thread is Obamas inability to lead. And with the passing of Kennedy, he lost a huge socialist supporter. The democrats just lost their 60 vote majority in the senate as well as the leading advocate of socialized medicine. Things don't look good for Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Excellent post Marcus. Folks like idiotboy don't see the irony. Not surprising, he doesn't know much about anything except the behavior at his local DSS office.
    Its like this DUMBO!!!! I object to you picking my pocket, but when you do I'm going to do everything in my power to get MY MONEY back!!!

    If only you could see how stupid and illogical you really sound. You obviously aren't a smart man. That or you enjoy having your butt handed to you in a paper bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Excellent post Marcus. Folks like idiotboy don't see the irony. Not surprising, he doesn't know much about anything except the behavior at his local DSS office.
    I guess you have forgotten the earlier article that identified that majority of the stimulus money was slated for Democratic districts. Is that how our democracy works now? If you vote for a bill, you get money from it; if you don't, you don't? How ironic considering that most of the federal tax money is probably paid by Republicans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    It's in the 9-11 report, which becuase as you say, you are not a smart man, you probably didn't read nor understand. The Obama threat was grossly understated and Bush acted based on the information passed to him from his predecessor.
    Freudian slip? It's Osama bin Laden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    Its all right here The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission)

    Unlike you, who thinks people don't need to read things, I do read.

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    NO READING ALLOWED if your a koolaid leftist. May only cut/paste from demudderground and dailykook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemanjb View Post
    Freudian slip? It's Osama bin Laden.
    ROFLMAO!!!! Whoopsy That is funny I don't care who you are......

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    Its all right here The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission)

    Unlike you, who thinks people don't need to read things, I do read.
    But understanding is another matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    Imagine that, the outgoing administration in hindsight says we told you so
    Hey numbnuts, those were folks in Bush's administration.

    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    But enough about the great Bush and the Clinton Failure. This thread is Obamas inability to lead. And with the passing of Kennedy, he lost a huge socialist supporter. The democrats just lost their 60 vote majority in the senate as well as the leading advocate of socialized medicine. Things don't look good for Obama.
    And you don't think another Dem will be appointed to take his place?

    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    You forget how the economy was about to collapse after 9-11-2001 as people stayed home. Bush got out, and without spending a dime, revitalized the economy by getting people to get out a do something.
    Apparently you missed all the deficit laden budgets Bush signed.

    But I'll bring this back to the topic. The market went through the roof during Clinton's term. Tanked during Bush's, and is on the mend during Obama's. Which is directly contrary to the forecasts put forth by conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    And you don't think another Dem will be appointed to take his place?
    Actually, I don't think Ted Kennedy's successor will be appointed. Sharkie can confirm, but I think Mass. law requires an election 145-165 days after a vacancy. That was instituted by the Democrats when Romney was governor to prevent a Republican governor from appointing a Republican to replace a Democrat.

    Since Romney is no longer governor, Teddy was trying to get that changed in case he couldn't serve out, since it would leave one less liberal in the Senate to ramrod through legistlation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post

    Apparently you missed all the deficit laden budgets Bush signed.
    You mean the ones approved by Congress?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    And you don't think another Dem will be appointed to take his place?
    NOPE!!! Mass law requires a special election within 145 to 165 days. Something the dumb-asses put in place to prevent a Republican Governor form appointing a republican to the seat.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Apparently you missed all the deficit laden budgets Bush signed.
    You mean the ones put in place by a DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!! So we had Dumb and Dumber. Now we have dumber and still dumber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareCrow57 View Post
    NOPE!!! Mass law requires a special election within 145 to 165 days. Something the dumb-asses put in place to prevent a Republican Governor form appointing a republican to the seat.
    Because letting the people actually vote and decide who they want to represent them is just so stupid...
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemanjb View Post
    You mean the ones approved by Congress?
    Yup. The President's signature is the last line of defense. He has the option to veto and never did until he had a Dem majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    NOPE!!! Mass law requires a special election within 145 to 165 days. Something the dumb-asses put in place to prevent a Republican Governor form appointing a republican to the seat.
    And you think the Dem majority state is going to elect a GOP replacement? I'll take that bet.

    Quote Originally Posted by idiotboy
    You mean the ones put in place by a DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!! So we had Dumb and Dumber. Now we have dumber and still dumber.
    Bzzzzztt.....Bush had a GOP majority congress for six of eight years in House, and five of eight years in the Senate.

    None of which changes the fact that Clinton had a DJIA that went through the roof, the DJIA tanked under Bush, and is on it's way up with Obama.

    None of the spin you try to apply changes any of those facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    How were the crooked business dealings of Worldcom and Enron the result of Clinton's actions?
    How were liberal lending practices put in place by the economically challenged Democrat's the result of Bush's actions?
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Bush was handed peace and prosperity and handed off a nightmare to Obama that consists of an economy in shambles and being embroiled in two wars.
    News organizations gave Bush loads of bad press about perceived poor job creation and unemployment in the summer of 2004, but their reports were kissing Clinton's butt when he ran for reelection in 1996 under near identical economic circumstances.


    And the 9/11 attacks did enormous damage to the U.S. economy, especially to industries dependent on travel and tourism. In the 100 days following 9/11, one million jobs were lost. That pushed us over the edge into the early 2000's recession.

    But thankfully, Bush's policies made it one of the shortest recessions in history. When looking at the performance of an administration in relation to job growth, this is a relevant addendum, but conveniently, most libtards neglect to even mention it.

    They also fail to mention how the 104th, 105th, and 106th Congress had Republican majorities in both the Senate & House. Thus Bill and the Republican Congress, kept each other in check for 6 years, which contributed to lowering government spending. The Republicans kept Clinton from meddling with the economy too much, contributing to it's success.

    There is no corresponding event to 9/11 during the Clinton presidency, although we can thank him for allowing the hijackers to live here and learn to pilot planes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemanjb View Post
    Actually, I don't think Ted Kennedy's successor will be appointed. Sharkie can confirm, but I think Mass. law requires an election 145-165 days after a vacancy. That was instituted by the Democrats when Romney was governor to prevent a Republican governor from appointing a Republican to replace a Democrat.

    Since Romney is no longer governor, Teddy was trying to get that changed in case he couldn't serve out, since it would leave one less liberal in the Senate to ramrod through legistlation.
    That is correct. Ted Kennedy pushed through a law using states legislators that took awat the governor's ability to appoint a Senator back in 2004. Back then it was seen for nothing but the political ploy it was. See, one arrogant SOB named John Forbes Kerry (who is now....God help us....our "Senior Senator) was running for President. Instead of allowing a moderately conservative governor appoint a successor should Kerry win, they revoked that power and stated that the seat would remain vacant until an election could be held in about 145 days (5 months.)

    A couple weeks ago the Boston Globe (of all things a liberal step-child of the New York Times) released a letter that Kennedy sent to our useless governor, the President of the Senate, and Speaker of the House of Representative stating that Massachusetts should have 2 voices in the Senate at all times, blah, blah, blah. Magically, 5 years later, Ted Kennedy wanted to change the law back to the way it was. Why? Well, he was dying and knew it but did not have the guts to do the right thing and resign. Secondly, we now have a useless and incompetent Democrat governor (Deval Patrick.) This was seen by the vast majority of people as nothing but another political ploy.

    The new outlets here are too busy continuing in their Ted Kennedy Love Fest - nary a program on since Wednesday morning beyond everyone saying nothing but good things about him and his life............

    And now, the morons on Beacon Hill in Boston are stuck......you see 5 years ago a huge number of the nitwits voted to strip the governor's appointment right......and now they are stuck with that history when they put a new bill in front of them saying that they want to give the governor back that ability.

    An interesting prospect given the huge unpopularity of Governor Patrick - his approval rating is about 26% in the poll I saw yesterday. That is lower than George W. Bush's was - and this is an immensely Democratic state. So you want to give an incompetent governor with an approval rating of 26% the ability to appoint a Senator 5 years after taking it away from a (then) Republican governor? You are out of your mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I don't have the links handy. The Commerce Dept. detailed the recession you detail was a .4% shrink in GDP. It lasted less than six months. Not much of a recession at all considering Obama inherited a recession that had been in place about a year before he'd been elected.
    But it was still a recession, and you stated that it was prosperity. And that recession began in March or April of 2000 - a full 9 months prior to Bush assuming office.

    I am not refuting that it was a minor recession (as things go) but it was still a recession, and until now you have always stated otherwise.
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