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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    The only one missing something here is you. You missed the total lack of a comparison between these two incidents and you missed what constitutes negligent homicide (or negligent manslaughter depend on local statute).
    Bottom line. Both were involved in an auto accident that resulted in the death of another human beings. Semantics aside, that is the point you choose to ignore with Laura Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Just like Jesse Helms!
    Very little I agreed with regarding Jesse Helms. But I respect his similar accomplishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Where are the cries about privilege and wealth buying him slack? Imagine if this was a Bush that committed this crime??? But no, he was great because he rode on the family name and got elected multiple times in the senate.

    The media and the hypocrisy of the left sickens me.
    I never said he was great. I said being elected to the senate nine times was an achievement.

    I did point a Bush that committed a similar crime. But we're told to ignore it since the individual was such a nice person and couldn't possibly have done anything considered heinous. Laura was from a prominent family in that section of Texas. Could her family's wealth and privilege possibly have bought her any slack as well? Or does that only happen with prominent liberal families?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Bottom line. Both were involved in an auto accident that resulted in the death of another human beings. Semantics aside, that is the point you choose to ignore with Laura Bush.
    The actual event is not near as important as the actions each person choose to take after the event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Bottom line. Both were involved in an auto accident that resulted in the death of another human beings. Semantics aside, that is the point you choose to ignore with Laura Bush.
    SAMANTICS????? You think the negligent homicide, the wilful depraved indifference to life, the leaving her to drown after driving off a bridge, the wilful failure to act, all probably while drunk, that resulted in his cheating girlfriend's death is semantics???

    There was no negligence, evading responsibility, or depraved indifference in the Laura Bush accident. There was no crime comitted. There was no intent. It was a plain and simple tragic car accident. One that, by the way, would probably not have been fatal if the other person was wearing a seatbelt, if you want to talk about semantics. She didn't run him over with the car while trying flee the scene after hitting him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Bottom line. Both were involved in an auto accident that resulted in the death of another human beings. Semantics aside, that is the point you choose to ignore with Laura Bush.
    What a moronic post and comparison.

    You are deceiving yourself if you think that Kennedy's accident can be described as, "an auto accident that resulted in the death of another..".

    Wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Very little I agreed with regarding Jesse Helms. But I respect his similar accomplishment.
    So you admire Jesse Helms?

    Interesting..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    So you admire Jesse Helms?

    Interesting..
    I admire his achievement of being elected numerous times to the Senate. Not much else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    What a moronic post and comparison.

    You are deceiving yourself if you think that Kennedy's accident can be described as, "an auto accident that resulted in the death of another..".

    Wow.
    Wow is correct. Are you making the claim Kennedy intentionally drove off that bridge to kill that woman?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Bottom line. Both were involved in an auto accident that resulted in the death of another human beings. Semantics aside, that is the point you choose to ignore with Laura Bush.
    So killing someone while driving drunk is the same as driving sober?

    And let us not forget, one was a child, one was a senator. HUGE difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Wow is correct. Are you making the claim Kennedy intentionally drove off that bridge to kill that woman?
    Maybe not, but after he did he just walked off and left her there without even trying to help showing depraved indifference to human life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Wow is correct. Are you making the claim Kennedy intentionally drove off that bridge to kill that woman?
    I'm claiming he allowed that woman to drown and fled the scene.

    Are you claiming that Laura Bush did anything like that?

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86
    I admire his achievement of being elected numerous times to the Senate. Not much else.
    That's what you admire? That they got elected numerous times?

    You must love Castro, Gadaffi and that nutjob in North Korea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Laura was the driver in a car crash that resulted in a fatality when she was a teenager. Negligent homicide.

    Yes, you missed something.
    Were the circumstances of the accident essentially similar to the incident in Chapaquidick?

    I am pretty sure that the anger that alot of Americans still feel after all these years has little to do with the fact that he was involved in a fatal accident. It has everything to do with him leaving the scene of the accident and making no attempt to rescue his passenger or to alert emergency services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Bottom line. Both were involved in an auto accident that resulted in the death of another human beings. Semantics aside, that is the point you choose to ignore with Laura Bush.
    You have to admit that the difference between these two incidents is hardly semantics. I mean, c'mon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Wow is correct. Are you making the claim Kennedy intentionally drove off that bridge to kill that woman?
    You need to stop trying to reword what others have said in a failing attempt to make an argument you can't win.

    No, nobody has claimed he drove off the bridge in an attempt to kill his girlfriend while cheating on his wife. In fact, I think most are probably quite confident that was an accident, likely as a result of him being drunk.

    For the 200th time today, the negligent homicide began when he left her in the submerged car, fled the scene of an accident, and intentionally did not call for help. It is willful depraved indifference resulting in the death of his girlfriend who suffocated in the car while he went home, probably to sober up.

    So what do you have to say about that now that it has been spelled out? Or do I need to draw you picture?
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    Originally Posted by scfire86
    Wow is correct. Are you making the claim Kennedy intentionally drove off that bridge to kill that woman?
    Are you making the claim that Laura Bush intentionally ran the stop sign to kill that boy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Are you making the claim that Laura Bush intentionally ran the stop sign to kill that boy?
    No. That's why I asked CKN if that is his belief about Kennedy. I don't excuse his actions. I do know he suffered a concussion and it may very well explain a lot of his irrational behavior. I saw the effects of concussions numerous times as a PM during my career.

    I am saddened to read some of the comments regarding him. I know there are compassionate conservatives. I'm just not sure any of them exist on these boards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    No. That's why I asked CKN if that is his belief about Kennedy. I don't excuse his actions. I do know he suffered a concussion and it may very well explain a lot of his irrational behavior. I saw the effects of concussions numerous times as a PM during my career.

    I am saddened to read some of the comments regarding him. I know there are compassionate conservatives. I'm just not sure any of them exist on these boards.
    That or his ETOH level. He made a CHOICE to drive drunk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I am saddened to read some of the comments regarding him. I know there are compassionate conservatives. I'm just not sure any of them exist on these boards.
    Save your crocodile tears.

    It seems the only one who is failing to feel compassion is you. Would you like to correct that? You could give your condolences to the Kopechne family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Save your crocodile tears.

    It seems the only one who is failing to feel compassion is you. Would you like to correct that? You could give your condolences to the Kopechne family.
    You believe that hasn't already occurred?
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