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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveDude View Post
    George, I Have no issue with what the article says in it's first paragraph. Moreover, I take issue with your first couple of paragraphs. What part of your post above relates to the Scottish Government and and members of the wider UK Government that have made this ugly deal.


    In short, your first couple of paragraphs are all about 'They' (The Britsh as a whole going by the thread title).

    There are some ugly deals carried out by politicians from all Countries including the US and from what I read most of you are not to pleased with the current incumbent of the White House... Does that make everyone culpable?

    It's they way you cut straight to the 'screw them all' point of view without considering the likely opinion of the UK population over this. We are seeing our troops killed out in the Middle East as well, we have had our Capital City Bombed several times on one day and other thankfully thwarted attempts. What do you really think the Guy on the street thinks of this deal and his opinion of the Libyans???


    On a positive note.... We are now pursuing them for damages to the victims of Irish Republican Terrorists for the Semtex that they supplied to them during the 80's. Now let's not even get into where the money for that came from..... And that is said as a Third generation Irish immigrant on my Mothers Side.

    I guess if your ancestors turned right out of Ireland and made for the US that is all good, but if they happened to turn left for the short journey to the UK as did most of the ancestors of well over half of the people I consider friends, colleagues and loved ones, the we can all go screw ourselves on that count as well?

    For the record, although you have a larger number of Irish in the US 36.5m (12%) those of us in the UK with Irish Ancestory are a much larger percentage of the population (24%) that's 14 Million of us... 6 Million of us (10%) only have to go back to our Grandparents. We have the highest Number of Irish Born people in the World 670,000 (1.4%).

    All of that is a caveat that qualifies me quite adequately to comment on the activites of the IRA objectively....


    Chief KN,
    I didn't dispute the article at all... I daresay most of it is true. My objection is the barrage of Anti British Bile that spewed forth as a result from members of this forum and how short some memories are?

    I reiterate How the hell can this deal done by one of the most unpopular Goverment's in modern British History have any bearing on the UK population as a whole?
    The reason that I wanted you to read the first couple of sentences is because the total reference was to the British government. Unless there had been a referendum in Great Britain and the citizenry voted to encourage the Scotland government to release the worst mass murderer in modern history, it should have been abundantly clear to you, as it was to most of the rest of the foilks here, that my anger and rant was about your government, not the total populace of Great Britain. As such, I am absolutely not going to engage in a ****ing contest with you over your ridiculous accusations against me.

    Take a breath, read it again in the proper context and start over.
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    Just to clarify, "screw Great Britain" means "screw their government".

    Just like if some one says "death to America", they mean "death to America's government"

    The 246 in the planes, 2603 in or around the towers, and 125 at the pentagon were just collateral damage.

    Do not try and back out of a second hand insult by insinuating it was directed to a nations government.


    I don't see why George isn't included with scarecrow, hottrotter, and lafire more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Just to clarify, "screw Great Britain" means "screw their government".

    Just like if some one says "death to America", they mean "death to America's government"

    The 246 in the planes, 2603 in or around the towers, and 125 at the pentagon were just collateral damage.

    Do not try and back out of a second hand insult by insinuating it was directed to a nations government.


    I don't see why George isn't included with scarecrow, hottrotter, and lafire more often.
    Well, considering the VERY first sentence in the article posted and referenced Says, "The British government decided it was “in the overwhelming interests of the United Kingdom” to make Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, the Lockerbie bomber, eligible for return to Libya, leaked ministerial letters reveal. "

    I think a reasonable person would've concluded that we were all commenting on the government.

    But, you obviously have an axe to grind, so continue with your crusade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    The reason that I wanted you to read the first couple of sentences is because the total reference was to the British government. Unless there had been a referendum in Great Britain and the citizenry voted to encourage the Scotland government to release the worst mass murderer in modern history, it should have been abundantly clear to you, as it was to most of the rest of the foilks here, that my anger and rant was about your government, not the total populace of Great Britain. As such, I am absolutely not going to engage in a ****ing contest with you over your ridiculous accusations against me.

    Take a breath, read it again in the proper context and start over.
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    I hear what you are saying George....

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    But sorry mate, this doesn't cut it with me. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveDude View Post
    Yeah,
    I hear what you are saying George....



    But sorry mate, this doesn't cut it with me. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm done.
    We probably don't disagree. The same "without us" comment could be made about any member country of the Allied Forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Well, considering the VERY first sentence in the article posted and referenced Says, "The British government decided it was “in the overwhelming interests of the United Kingdom” to make Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, the Lockerbie bomber, eligible for return to Libya, leaked ministerial letters reveal. "

    I think a reasonable person would've concluded that we were all commenting on the government.

    But, you obviously have an axe to grind, so continue with your crusade.
    He referenced an article, but referred to a country not their government.

    No axe to grind here, just find it funny many suck up to him when he's proved time and time again he's a hypocrite. At least lafire has the balls to not block people who don't agree, it might be the only thing he has the balls to do but its more then george.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    He referenced an article, but referred to a country not their government.

    No axe to grind here, just find it funny many suck up to him when he's proved time and time again he's a hypocrite. At least lafire has the balls to not block people who don't agree, it might be the only thing he has the balls to do but its more then george.
    Yea, you shouldn't suck up to him so much.

    It's not healthy.
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    You must be on your death bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    We probably don't disagree. The same "without us" comment could be made about any member country of the Allied Forces.
    One of which was the UK
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    It's really a non-sequitar. It has nothing to do with this issue?

    I am not sure who you are referring to (prob Hottrotter/Scarescrew), but why would anyone take him seriously???

    As far as "winning" world war 2. It was an allied effort. However, is there really any doubt that without America entering the war the outcome would have been the same???

    I don't just mean troops, I mean the manufacturing and logistic support of the US.

    I don't know why that would be a slam on any of the allies?

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    The pivotal turning point in WW2 was Hitlers failure to invade Britain. Had he done this, there would have been no staging or logistics supply for an invasion of "Fortress Europe". Hitlers reasoning was based on his fear of the Soviet Union which wa probably well founded. Winning the war was an allied effort and I'm sure without American men, materials and support, it would not have been achieved. Funnily enough, in legions and veteran organizations in the UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, India, you don't hear anyone claiming "We won the war". No one I know minimizes the part America played in the wars, they do however, get plenty ****ed about "Yank arrogance" regards the efforts the rest of the allies contributed.
    BTW, It never has been Scarecrow making any derogatory remarks about Canada or UK. Its a big mouth a lot closer to home for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    The pivotal turning point in WW2 was Hitlers failure to invade Britain. Had he done this, there would have been no staging or logistics supply for an invasion of "Fortress Europe". Hitlers reasoning was based on his fear of the Soviet Union which wa probably well founded. Winning the war was an allied effort and I'm sure without American men, materials and support, it would not have been achieved. Funnily enough, in legions and veteran organizations in the UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, India, you don't hear anyone claiming "We won the war". No one I know minimizes the part America played in the wars, they do however, get plenty ****ed about "Yank arrogance" regards the efforts the rest of the allies contributed.
    BTW, It never has been Scarecrow making any derogatory remarks about Canada or UK. Its a big mouth a lot closer to home for you.
    I actually think a strong argument could be made that the Soviets had more to do with Germany's defeat then any single country.

    As for "Yank Arrogance", the American Vets have a lot to be proud of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I actually think a strong argument could be made that the Soviets had more to do with Germany's defeat then any single country.

    As for "Yank Arrogance", the American Vets have a lot to be proud of.
    I have to agree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    I actually think a strong argument could be made that the Soviets had more to do with Germany's defeat then any single country.

    As for "Yank Arrogance", the American Vets have a lot to be proud of.
    I think there is no doubt that without the Soviets, Germany could not have been defeated by the Allies. Theres nothing wrong with being proud of their efforts in any military action, but I doubt you will find any other country denigrating their alliesor conveniently leaving their efforts out while beating their own chests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanLoader View Post
    I think there is no doubt that without the Soviets, Germany could not have been defeated by the Allies. Theres nothing wrong with being proud of their efforts in any military action, but I doubt you will find any other country denigrating their alliesor conveniently leaving their efforts out while beating their own chests.
    You won't find that here among the veterans either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    You won't find that here among the veterans either.
    Its true I think of veterans most everywhere. Unfortunately, there are a number of comments from big mouths on here whose closest brush with combat was tightening his belt as well as the Hollywood generalities that abound. Just look at the quote Steve posted on his last post

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    Steve,

    My comment was directed at the government, and then only a few in the government that made this deal. The British citizens are great people and have been our biggest best friend and the first to back us up, even if they didn't think it was right. Best example: Iraq

    You know, the British, the French, Russians, or even the Americans and Canadians could have been speaking German if it wasn't for us all sticking together to defeat the evil empire. That comment can be made by anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    You won't find that here among the veterans either.
    During my time treating WW2 vets, I have never heard one be as arrogant about the US winning the war as people that were not even alive during that time.
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