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    I just wanna blow off some steam we had a fire last night 2 1/2 story wood frame single family dwelling with smoke showing on division 2 my volly dept runs on any building fire 2 engines and our truck (75 mack cf 75' aerialscaope) and also have 2 other companies coming mutual aid i am the lieutenant for the truck co and i got criticized by the 2 neighboring fire chiefs because we laddered all of the 2nd story windows (as they do in boston) and i just wanted to know if any other truck companies did this or if we were just being to cautious considering the balloon frame contruction of the house

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    If you have the manpower by all means ladder all windows.

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    agreed, if ya have the manpower, ladder em all..

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    Almost sounds like they were breaking your balls but you took it to heart. What was their beef? Can you get more specific?

    Oh, and one other thing- Something I have learned over the years. It doesn't count until someone from your organization with a higher rank than you speaks to you about it. If they really and truly were bitching about you, next time tell them (while pointing to your chief) "see that guy over there, the one with the white hat? Go speak to him."

    (By the way, if you accomplished the laddering as well as all your other tasks as the first arriving truck, the "eff em," Good Job.
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    Easy to have too few ladders in place. Damn hard to have too many.

    I think you did the right thing if you had staffing to do it and it didn't interfere with other necessary tasks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Easy to have too few ladders in place. Damn hard to have too many.

    I think you did the right thing if you had staffing to do it and it didn't interfere with other necessary tasks.

    Agreed. Sounds like they were ball breaking or they are too closed minded to accept the fact that you were being cautious. I much prefer overcautios to undercautious!

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    The chief from the one mutual aid company kept calling me lieutenant safety sallie on fireground ops channel and the other one asked me what the hell i was thinking cluttering up the fireground with useless ladders!!!!! they are ****ed off at my department because we took the initiative to certify all our volunteers in firefighter 2 and bought a ladder truck and took truck company ops 1 and 2 and we have state recognition in safety through education stickers on our trucks for our accomplishments. they are also ****ed off because our municipality decided we were the better department to handle the industrial buisness park and it's now our first due so i think all it boils down to is hurt pride

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    Quote Originally Posted by CVFD9LT View Post
    The chief from the one mutual aid company kept calling me lieutenant safety sallie on fireground ops channel and the other one asked me what the hell i was thinking cluttering up the fireground with useless ladders!!!!! they are ****ed off at my department because we took the initiative to certify all our volunteers in firefighter 2 and bought a ladder truck and took truck company ops 1 and 2 and we have state recognition in safety through education stickers on our trucks for our accomplishments. they are also ****ed off because our municipality decided we were the better department to handle the industrial buisness park and it's now our first due so i think all it boils down to is hurt pride

    Sounds like you already know the answer. As everybody else has stated, as long as you were able to take care of he other necessary tasks, you did fine. I wish we had the manpower to do that much laddering consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CVFD9LT View Post
    The chief from the one mutual aid company kept calling me lieutenant safety sallie on fireground ops channel and the other one asked me what the hell i was thinking cluttering up the fireground with useless ladders!!!!! they are ****ed off at my department because we took the initiative to certify all our volunteers in firefighter 2 and bought a ladder truck and took truck company ops 1 and 2 and we have state recognition in safety through education stickers on our trucks for our accomplishments. they are also ****ed off because our municipality decided we were the better department to handle the industrial buisness park and it's now our first due so i think all it boils down to is hurt pride
    Ok so they were breaking your balls. I say, F*CK 'EM!

    Oh, and for the record, as a fireground incident commander, I would rather have you and your truck company on my fireground any day of the week and twice on sundays as opposed to them.
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    Calling you Lieutenant Safety Sally on the fireground ops channel? Well now, that right there is the epitomy of professionalism. What a jerk. That guy was the Chief of the mutual aid fire department?

    So tell me why YOUR Chief didn't go face to face with the guy and tell him to shut the hell up or pack up his dog and pony show and go home?

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    And here's the bad part we only run 5 guys on the ladder truck we had 2 on the roof ventilating (myself and the driver) and the other 3 were working on laddering the building we already had confirmation that everyone was present and accounted for so no search was needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Calling you Lieutenant Safety Sally on the fireground ops channel? Well now, that right there is the epitomy of professionalism. What a jerk. That guy was the Chief of the mutual aid fire department?

    So tell me why YOUR Chief didn't go face to face with the guy and tell him to shut the hell up or pack up his dog and pony show and go home?
    The chief is out of town and the asst is the brother of the one mutual aid chief and cousin to the other one but he will be handled at the officers meeting this week

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    Things turn to s**t on division two it's a long fall to division One I much prefer a ladder over free fall. Good job done from my standpoint. T.C.

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    Couple of things:

    A. Back to the Search Comment. Here, I don't care if a Bright Light comes out of the Sky, and an Angel flies down to tell me everyone's out, A Primary and Secondary Search still gets done.

    B. There is an Industrial Park that wasn't your First Due, but Your Dept. did a lot of things right, so it was made part of your first due?? Sorry, but I don't like that idea. IMO, EVERYONE'S First Due should be every square inch that you are closer to than any other FD. If you're not the closest station, it shouldn't be yours. If you are Second Closest, then you should be Second Due........ You get the idea.
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    Actually the industrial park is only 3 1/2 to 4 minutes from our station so by all rights it should have been ours to begin with but the former chiefs were kind of shady and stole money from the department and burnt the social hall down twice so were a joke up untill a few years ago when we took the department over and turned it around now we have 1 brand new engine 1 thats semi new a new rescue and a ladder truck not to mention 22 firefighters certified to ff2,hazmat tech,vehicle rescue,etc..

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    There is nothing wrong with a well laddered building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CVFD9LT View Post
    Actually the industrial park is only 3 1/2 to 4 minutes from our station so by all rights it should have been ours to begin with but the former chiefs were kind of shady and stole money from the department and burnt the social hall down twice so were a joke up untill a few years ago when we took the department over and turned it around now we have 1 brand new engine 1 thats semi new a new rescue and a ladder truck not to mention 22 firefighters certified to ff2,hazmat tech,vehicle rescue,etc..

    You guys must be doing quite well to accomplish all these things. I can say I've been where you are now. (Different Department than I'm on Now) and I'll just add this little bit........ Never, Ever, Let Up. Your Organization is good because you all want to be. Keep Rolling, don't look around and think that everything that needs to be done has been, because that's when things will start to slip.......... Set High Standards, and Keep Them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    You guys must be doing quite well to accomplish all these things. I can say I've been where you are now. (Different Department than I'm on Now) and I'll just add this little bit........ Never, Ever, Let Up. Your Organization is good because you all want to be. Keep Rolling, don't look around and think that everything that needs to be done has been, because that's when things will start to slip.......... Set High Standards, and Keep Them.
    Thanks for the advice we have a great group of very dedicated firefighters we are each assigned to a unit but no matter what the alarm is we are there in full force. and i take pride in my guys on the truck we train twice a month wether it is ventilation or just practicing with the aerial i am completely confident in them and in the rest of the guys in my department (with the exception of the asst chief) we've done all this in 9 years...i really appreciate all the input from the guys on here i thought maybe i was just a putz and taking things to the extreme with the ladders i just spoke with the chief and he is coming back tomorrow and he will be making a few phone calls and setting up some meetings to get this sorted out

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    Sounds like you did a fine job. What do they care if there were more ladders or less ladders.

    Don't let them get to you during the incident. After the incident, they'd be walking funny with their radio shoved where the sun don't shine.

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    Hmm, I'd rather have the second floor ladder cause you never know when something can go wrong.

    As for calling the Lt. "Safety Sallie" over the ops channel well that is very unprofessional of any chief officer.

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    I have said repeatedly that laddering the building on 2 story buildings (on any side) is a lost art in our response area. Most guys look at me like I don't know what the hell I am talking about. All 4 sides--you guys rock! Can I join your company?

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    Sounds like your department is very proactive and from what you posted turned it's act around 180 degrees.... As for the BS your getting, looks like sour grapes to me. They are getting shown up by your department for the active stance you have taken towards making your department the best they can be. Looks like your headed in the right direction, keep up the good work
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD1234 View Post
    Can I join your company?
    We always have spots open lol

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    Can't please them all and don't try, do the right thing, which you are. It might pay off someday. Maybe for one of there guys!

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